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Hello there,


Here are five questions which I would value your input on, please:-


1. Is there more than one dispensation in operation today?
'The dispensation of the grace of God,'
'the dispensation of the Mystery'

2. Is there more than one 'calling' therefore in operation today?

3. Or is the Church which is His Body, an election from within an election?

4. If all who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ are members of the Church which is His Body,
then why is it that so few know anything about the Mystery and it's administration?

5. Can you please define the difference between 'The Mystery of Christ', and 'The Mystery' of Ephesians 3?


Thanking you in anticipation.
In Christ Jesus
Win.
 
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Hello there,


Here are five questions which I would value your input on, please:-


1. Is there more than one dispensation in operation today?
'The dispensation of the grace of God,'
'the dispensation of the Mystery'

2. Is there more than one 'calling' therefore in operation today?

3. Or is the Church which is His Body, an election from within an election?

4. If all who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ are members of the Church which is His Body,
then why is it that so few know anything about the Mystery and it's administration?

5. Can you please define the difference between 'The Mystery of Christ', and 'The Mystery' of Ephesians 3?


Thanking you in anticipation.
In Christ Jesus
Win.

:confused:...Sorry can't answer any of these, I don't know what you are talking about....but hopefully someone will.
 
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5. Can you please define the difference between 'The Mystery of Christ', and 'The Mystery' of Ephesians 3?[/FONT]


Thanking you in anticipation.
In Christ Jesus
Win.


Hi and this is what Robert C Brock say of the " Mystery of Christ ".

The term Mystery of Christ , is used twice by Paul here and in Col 4:3 ," that God would open to us a door for the word , to speak the MYSTERY OF CHRIST , for which I am also in chains .

This term in Col 4:3 , is used in a general way of the truth revealed to Paul , like it is in Rom 16:25 , the Revelation of the MYSTERY .

In regards to Eph 3:4 , Covenant and Acts 2 believers teach that the context LIMITS the MYSTERY of CHRIST as being ONLY about the Gentiles being united on equal terms with the Jews in the Body of Christ .

This self-imposed Limitation is only a Half-truth because they fail to see that this spiritual situation is a BRAND NEW TRUTH not found in the OT .

This is why we need to understand that Ephesians 3:4-6 is JUST ONE ASPECT of the Revelation of the Mystery , not the complete Mystery , itself .

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dan p

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Hello there,


Here are five questions which I would value your input on, please:-


1. Is there more than one dispensation in operation today?
'The dispensation of the grace of God,'
'the dispensation of the Mystery'

2. Is there more than one 'calling' therefore in operation today?

3. Or is the Church which is His Body, an election from within an election?

4. If all who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ are members of the Church which is His Body,
then why is it that so few know anything about the Mystery and it's administration?

5. Can you please define the difference between 'The Mystery of Christ', and 'The Mystery' of Ephesians 3?


Thanking you in anticipation.
In Christ Jesus
Win.

Hi and from scripture , I see more than 2 Dispensations !!

#1 , We have what is called the " Dispensation of the Fulness of Times , which speaks to Heaven and Earth , Eph 1:10 !!

#2 , Then we had the Dispensation of Angelic Testing , Isa 14 and Ezek 28 and Jude 6 !!

#3 , And of course , the Dispensation of Grace !!


I see that today , there is Only one " calling " or " Hope ".

One Hope for THE Body of Christ and one Hope for Israel , but I see that in Acts 10 that there was one Hope for Cornelius , Acts 10:44-46 , contrasted with Rom 2:26 , we see that his hope was Jewish !!

Maybe FEW see the Mystery , because Satan is the god of this world , see 2 Cor 4:1-6 ?

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Hello there,


Here are five questions which I would value your input on, please:-


1. Is there more than one dispensation in operation today?
'The dispensation of the grace of God,'
'the dispensation of the Mystery'

2. Is there more than one 'calling' therefore in operation today?

3. Or is the Church which is His Body, an election from within an election?

4. If all who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ are members of the Church which is His Body,
then why is it that so few know anything about the Mystery and it's administration?

5. Can you please define the difference between 'The Mystery of Christ', and 'The Mystery' of Ephesians 3?


Thanking you in anticipation.
In Christ Jesus
Win.

Hey Win,

Its Ephesians Chapters 1-3, but here is a part from chapter three, followed by an explanation out of all three chapters:

1. For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
2. If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
3. How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
4. Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

The dispensation of the grace of God given (dispensed) Paul that Paul might give, dispense, make known is the mystery of Christ.

What is this Mystery of Christ - God's once kept secret til dispensed to and through a new Apostle - Paul, of God's eternal purpose to one day glorify His Son throughout all creation in and through a new creature comprised of formerly lost Jews and Gentiles that will one day be the fullness of Him that will fill all poistions of rank and authority, whether they be thrones, dominions, and or principalities, for such positions were created by Him and for Him; said new creature being that Church which is specifically His Body: the Body of Christ, thus 1 Corinthians 2's "unto our glory," in Him.

Danoh
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quote=Winifred hello there,


Here are five questions which I would value your input on, please:-


1. Is there more than one dispensation in operation today?
'The dispensation of the grace of God,'
'the dispensation of the Mystery'

The dispensation of grace was a mystery but there is not another dispensation going on right now... the 70th week of Daniel needs to be finished up which is the Great TRIBULATION which is the end of the law.... then the 1000 yr reign will be the last dispensation

if you need for clarification I can bring verses


2. Is there more than one 'calling' therefore in operation today?

The calling is referring to God's work toward men that are meant to be saved .. other words no one would be saved john 3:19 the light is Christ in jn 1:4

3. Or is the Church which is His Body, an election from within an election?

what do you mean?

4. If all who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ are members of the Church which is His Body,
then why is it that so few know anything about the Mystery and it's administration?

lack of teaching

5. Can you please define the difference between 'The Mystery of Christ', and 'The Mystery' of Ephesians 3?

There 4 mystery's that are brought out in this book

eph 1:9-10 is the mystery of God's will .. timing and order of his determitive will

eph 3:2,9 Mystery of the dispensation of grace from God ... before this was law and the angels did not know about this prior to now

Eph 3:3-6 Mystery of the Christ .... eph 2:11-18

Eph 5:32 mystery of the Christ and His bride.. we have the best promises


Thanking you in anticipation.
In Christ Jesus
Win.
 
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There are no mysteries. There is plenty of unbelief. Christ fulfilled Isaiah 53. Unbelief is why the Jews rejected this. The Jews still interpret this as being about the nation of Israel and Israel's suffering. So, how do we benefit by poor theology and interpreting the New Testament by the Old? We don't. We interpret the Old Testament by the New. We know that Christ fulfilled this and we know that Christ came as the Messiah, and we also know that before the foundation of the world God Almighty envisioned the Church. There is nothing that can't be known if we look at the New Testament fulfillment. Now, fulfillment and consummation are very different. Christ's physical kingdom is consummated with the New Jerusalem after the new heavens and the new Earth are created. He will reign in person with all of His people, His ONE people.

Isa 53:1 Who has believed our message? And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?
Isa 53:2 For He grew up before Him like a tender shoot, And like a root out of parched ground; He has no stately form or majesty That we should look upon Him, Nor appearance that we should be attracted to Him.
Isa 53:3 He was despised and forsaken of men, A man of sorrows and acquainted with grief; And like one from whom men hide their face He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.
Isa 53:4 Surely our griefs He Himself bore, And our sorrows He carried; Yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken, Smitten of God, and afflicted.
Isa 53:5 But He was pierced through for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him, And by His scourging we are healed.
Isa 53:6 All of us like sheep have gone astray, Each of us has turned to his own way; But the LORD has caused the iniquity of us all To fall on Him.
Isa 53:7 He was oppressed and He was afflicted, Yet He did not open His mouth; Like a lamb that is led to slaughter, And like a sheep that is silent before its shearers, So He did not open His mouth.
Isa 53:8 By oppression and judgment He was taken away; And as for His generation, who considered That He was cut off out of the land of the living For the transgression of my people, to whom the stroke was due?
Isa 53:9 His grave was assigned with wicked men, Yet He was with a rich man in His death, Because He had done no violence, Nor was there any deceit in His mouth.
Isa 53:10 But the LORD was pleased To crush Him, putting Him to grief; If He would render Himself as a guilt offering, He will see His offspring, He will prolong His days, And the good pleasure of the LORD will prosper in His hand.
Isa 53:11 As a result of the anguish of His soul, He will see it and be satisfied; By His knowledge the Righteous One, My Servant, will justify the many, As He will bear their iniquities.
Isa 53:12 Therefore, I will allot Him a portion with the great, And He will divide the booty with the strong; Because He poured out Himself to death, And was numbered with the transgressors; Yet He Himself bore the sin of many, And interceded for the transgressors.

Eph 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints who are at Ephesus and who are faithful in Christ Jesus:
Eph 1:2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ,
Eph 1:4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love
Eph 1:5 He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will,
Eph 1:6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, which He freely bestowed on us in the Beloved.

The Church/Body includes the Remnant Jews and the newly saved Gentiles. There is no parenthetical Church. That is a myth. Christ reigns now over a spiritual kingdom until the physical kingdom is consummated. If that is not true, then we can rip out Hebrews and other Books from our Bibles and save a lot of paper and trees. And, we can all convert to a dead religion called Judaism and keep having faith that the Messiah will come.
 
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Sorry, what is it about Hebrews that validates a reign on earth? It sounds like everything about the reign on earth depends on Hebrews. My understanding is that Hebrews was saying it was never expecting any and that even in the OT the 'city' and 'land' and 'kingdom' was never here on earth.

You were also saying that a physical reign will finally happen in terms of the new heaven and earth. True, but the features of that are so different, it hardly matters. God is the temple and the Lamb is the light. That is the new creation and it matters now (2 Cor 5); the old things of Judaism are shed. I think you think the reign will have Judaistic particulars, but that is not the point of Lk 22 or 17 about the kingdom. It is present tense and is not like any kingdom on earth.
 
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The main mystery Paul deals with is about how the nations enter God's redeemed community. (A minor mystery is Christ and his bride). The main one is in Col 1, Eph 1, 3, Rom 16.

As J. Stott says in his commentary on Ephesians pub. by InterVarsity, the OT always knew the nations were going to be offered and gain salvation; they were to be blessed through Israel. But what would happen to the Law? This frames Paul's issues at Rome, Galatia, Phillipi, about law vs Gospel. The nations would gain acceptance by faith that was upon the Gospel of God's work in Christ. Everyone does who believes it. That was mysterious to the OT prophet because he couldn't figure out how the law would be set aside. Well, it was honored by Christ who kept it perfectly for all mankind, AKA his righteousness. But it was set aside in that it was no longer needed for the nations to gain acceptance with God.

So now the Christian message and mission was amazingly portable and transcultural (not multicultural!). And after all, there would not have been a mission without a message that was like that. Judaism had already tried packing the law all over the place and Jesus said it was a mess, in Mt 23.
 
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