More proof Evolution is not true

[Michie]

I've been dying to say this in light of the subject of the thread...Science evolves.


Argh!!!!

*ok I feel better now*

 

[ebia]

Where in the bible does it say that man was not made in God's image, but then evolved into God's image? It says right from the beginning that man was made in God's image. (I understand what you're saying, but I see nothing in the bible about God making monkeys in God's image.)

As the Pope puts it, the moment a person first conceived the idea 'god' is the moment of 'special creation'. That's the point where we become Gods image.

 

[Chrystal-J]

none of that connects remotely to anything I've said or the point we were discussing.

I know so many scientits...sounds like something they would say when they can't think of an answer.

 

[ebia]

Yes it is. It really is. And I have a problem with people who claim it isn't, because their either don't know what the heck they're talking about, or they don't want to know.

If you refuse to believe in evolution, that's fine, but use the Bible as your proof. Not pseudoscience.

I don't know. Its as least as damaging to use poor theology as poor science.

 

[Michie]

I don't know. Its as least as damaging to use poor theology as poor science.

Agreed!

 

[Chrystal-J]

I've been dying to say this in light of the subject of the thread...Science evolves.

I was thinking the same thing.

 

[ebia]

I know so many scientits...sounds like something they would say when they can't think of an answer.

It's what anybody needs to say at that point in the conversation. You post did not connect with what I had actually said v

 

[Michie]

I was thinking the same thing.

 

[Aeneas]

What is this thread even about?

 

[Michie]

What is this thread even about?

Evolution, science, genealogies, poor scholarship versus good scholarship, what the Church believes concerning evolution, Adam, Eve, yadda yadda yadda.

 

[Antigone]

I don't know. Its as least as damaging to use poor theology as poor science.

True, but it's even worse when people use both at the same time.

 

[Chrystal-J]

(What is this thread about?)

Evolution, science, genealogies, poor scholarship versus good scholarship, what the Church believes concerning evolution, Adam, Eve, yadda yadda yadda.

And (in my opinion) whether you believe in the infallable Word of God (bible) or would rather put your belief in the fallable hands of man-made science.

Edit to add: I'm not anti-science, I just don't think it's the end-all be-all of everything. There are some things that science will never be able to explain no matter how advanced it becomes.

 

[Gwendolyn]

And (in my opinion) whether you believe in the infallable Word of God (bible) or would rather put your belief in the fallable hands of man-made science.

I wish people would stop saying this. Theistic evolution is not contrary to Church teaching. Besides, it makes you sound really haughty and self-righteous because such a statement insinuates that you, as a "bible-believer", are inherently above those who see a harmony between science and faith.

 

[Romans 13:3]

Science and faith come together here:
New Proofs for the Existence of God: Contributions of Contemporary Physics and Philosophy

Fr. Robert Spitzer, S.J., Ph.D.

 

[Chrystal-J]

I wish people would stop saying this. Theistic evolution is not contrary to Church teaching. Besides, it makes you sound really haughty and self-righteous because such a statement insinuates that you, as a "bible-believer", are inherently above those who see a harmony between science and faith.

Says who? You? If your side of the fence means calling other people names (while claiming to be Christian), I'll stay on my side of the fence.

 

[Michie]

And (in my opinion) whether you believe in the infallable Word of God (bible) or would rather put your belief in the fallable hands of man-made science.

Edit to add: I'm not anti-science, I just don't think it's the end-all be-all of everything. There are some things that science will never be able to explain no matter how advanced it becomes.

Faith always comes first for a person of faith. Or it should. But I believe faith & science can mix.

The Bible is not a scientific textbook. The message within the Bible & the guidance it gives is infallible.

Science cannot prove faith as much as it tries. Faith also cannot discredit science. We can weigh the morality of certain things done in the name of science but that is about it.

There are some things we will never prove or disprove as you said.

But I hate the mentality that it has to be one or the other. I'm not saying that is your position btw. I just don't think the two should be pitted against one another.

 

[Michie]

Science and faith come together here:
New Proofs for the Existence of God: Contributions of Contemporary Physics and Philosophy

Fr. Robert Spitzer, S.J., Ph.D.

I remember that. Good read.

 

[Chrystal-J]

Faith always comes first for a person of faith. Or it should. But I believe faith & science can mix.

The Bible is not a scientific textbook. The message within the Bible & the guidance it gives is infallible.

Science cannot prove faith as much as it tries. Faith also cannot discredit science. We can weigh the morality of certain things done in the name of science but that is about it.

There are some things we will never prove or disprove as you said.

But I hate the mentality that it has to be one or the other. I'm not saying that is your position btw. I just don't think the two should be pitted against one another.

You just basically just stated what I meant. Faith cannot be proven by science, but some human things can be. (That's why I added that I'm not anti-science.) Science is good for medicine and for other scientific fields. I just don't believe faith is one of them. Science relies mainly on man and his abilities, faith relies on God. There is a difference.

 

[Michie]

You just basically just stated what I meant. Faith cannot be proven by science, but some human things can be. (That's why I added that I'm not anti-science.) Science is good for medicine and for other scientific fields. I just don't believe faith is one of them. Science relies mainly on man and his abilities, faith relies on God. There is a difference.

I understood where you were coming from.

 

[Chrystal-J]

I understood where you were coming from.

Thanks.

I'm totally used to the attitude in this thread (my family is mainly atheist and I've heard all these agruments/name calling before). I'm just surprised to see it in a Christian setting.