LDS More Problems With Brigham Young

[Rescued One]

The video reveals many problems with Brigham's belief in what Mormons now call the Adam-God theory.

 

[rocknanchor]

How obvious and how crooked can a popular notion get!

 

[Ironhold]

This again?

Mormonism and doctrine/Repudiated concepts/Adam-God theory - FairMormon

Seriously. One would think the counter-cult would understand it's functionally a dead issue at this point.

 

[He is the way]

I don't watch these types of videos as I don't want to popularize them. People like to add a lot of their own precepts to them. If someone has a point to make let them just say it.

 

[Rescued One]

Brigham Young on the Heavenly Father
A SERMON DELIVERED BY PRESIDENT BRIGHAM YOUNG, IN THE TABERNACLE, GREAT SALT LAKE CITY, APRIL 9, 1852
Now hear it, O inhabitants of the earth, Jew and Gentile, Saint and sinner! When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is MICHAEL, the Archangel, the ANCIENT OF DAYS! About whom holy men have written and spoken -- HE is our FATHER and our GOD, and the only God with whom we have to do. Every man upon the earth, professing Christians or non-professing, must hear it, and will know it sooner or later. They came here, organized the raw material, and arranged in their order the herbs of the field, the trees, the apple, the peach, the plum, the pear, and every other fruit that is desirable and good for man; the seed was brought from another sphere, and planted in this earth. The thistle, the thorn, the brier, and the obnoxious weed did not appear until after the earth was cursed.
JOURNAL OF DISCOURSES, Vol. I, p. 50

Yes, I own the entire set.

 

[He is the way]

Brigham Young on the Heavenly Father
A SERMON DELIVERED BY PRESIDENT BRIGHAM YOUNG, IN THE TABERNACLE, GREAT SALT LAKE CITY, APRIL 9, 1852
Now hear it, O inhabitants of the earth, Jew and Gentile, Saint and sinner! When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is MICHAEL, the Archangel, the ANCIENT OF DAYS! About whom holy men have written and spoken -- HE is our FATHER and our GOD, and the only God with whom we have to do. Every man upon the earth, professing Christians or non-professing, must hear it, and will know it sooner or later. They came here, organized the raw material, and arranged in their order the herbs of the field, the trees, the apple, the peach, the plum, the pear, and every other fruit that is desirable and good for man; the seed was brought from another sphere, and planted in this earth. The thistle, the thorn, the brier, and the obnoxious weed did not appear until after the earth was cursed.
JOURNAL OF DISCOURSES, Vol. I, p. 50

Yes, I own the entire set.

I own it too. It is my theory that the writer dozed off between "About whom holy men have written and spoken --" and "HE is our FATHER and our GOD, and the only God with whom we have to do." that is why there is a "--" there. He probably forgot to find out what he missed and put include it in the text. The church leadership does not teach or accept the Adam God theory.

We warn you against the dissemination of doctrines which are not according to the Scriptures and which are alleged to have been taught by some of the General Authorities of past generations. Such, for instance, is the Adam-God theory. We denounce that theory and hope that everyone will be cautioned against this and other kinds of false doctrine.

—Spencer W. Kimball, "Our Own Liahona," Ensign (November 1976), 77.

At any rate the JOD was not published by the church and not considered doctrine.

 

[BigDaddy4]

It is my theory that the writer dozed off

This is what you've come to... making excuses about dozing off???

 

[He is the way]

This is what you've come to... making excuses about dozing off???

Brigham Young knew that Adam spoke to God in the garden of Eden. It is obvious that part of Brigham Young's speech is missing from this text.

 

[Rescued One]

If it was so obvious, and the Bible was so perfect, other church leaders wouldn't have believed Brigham Young, and it wouldn't have still been believed for decades afterward.

The point isn't whether or not the current leaders endorse the doctrine, but that Brigham Young believed and taught it.

 

[He is the way]

If it was so obvious, and the Bible was so perfect, other church leaders wouldn't have believed Brigham Young, and it wouldn't have still been believed for decades afterward.

Reference needed.

 

[Rescued One]

Reference needed.

Reference for what?

 

[He is the way]

Reference for what?

You said: "other church leaders wouldn't have believed Brigham Young, and it wouldn't have still been believed for decades afterward." I said Reference needed.

 

[Rescued One]

You said: "other church leaders wouldn't have believed Brigham Young, and it wouldn't have still been believed for decades afterward." I said Reference needed.

That isn't a quote from another site. The fact was stored in my brain.So if you really want to know, do some research.

 

[He is the way]

That isn't a quote from another site. The fact was stored in my brain.So if you really want to know, do some research.

When I can't back up what I say I usually use the term "I believe"

 

[Rescued One]

When I can't back up what I say I usually use the term "I believe"

Good for you! I can back it up, but my internet service was giving me fits at that time. However, if you really wanted to know you would have researched it by now.

The information and sources are in the video.

 

[He is the way]

Good for you! I can back it up, but my internet service was giving me fits at that time. However, if you really wanted to know you would have researched it by now.

The information and sources are in the video.

Like I said, "I don't watch these types of videos as I don't want to popularize them. People like to add a lot of their own precepts to them. If someone has a point to make let them just say it."

So who were these church leaders? Because my research says there weren't any. In fact apostle Orson Pratt, rejected the Adam God doctrine and the Adam God doctrine died with the death of Brigham Young.

 

[dzheremi]

It must be great to have a "prophet, seer, and revelator" who you can trust to do all that revelating and thinking for you and yet still completely disregard whenever said revelations with time make your religion seem silly (this), racist (priesthood ban on black people), anti-gay (the policy against baptizing the children of parents in gay relationships), etc.

Which of God's chosen prophets' revelations will you get to say isn't doctrine tomorrow? Or maybe they themselves will say so subsequently after first claiming that it was a revelation (saving pathetic apologists the effort), like they did with the gay one...Yep, 'continuing revelation' is clearly where it's at! No gigantic, obvious holes in this system!

Maybe you guys can update your famous children's song "Follow the Prophet" in light of this..."Follow the prophet! He knows the way! Unless he doesn't! You'll have to wait for the next prophet or maybe the one after him or the one after him to be told what the way actually is! And then that'll change later on, too!"

Or you could write an entirely new version that is more accurate: "Follow the copyright date on the manual, because that's the only way we can even keep up with what we're supposedly believing now"

 

[He is the way]

It must be great to have a "prophet, seer, and revelator" who you can trust to do all that revelating and thinking for you and yet still completely disregard whenever said revelations with time make your religion seem silly (this), racist (priesthood ban on black people), anti-gay (the policy against baptizing the children of parents in gay relationships), etc.

Which of God's chosen prophets' revelations will you get to say isn't doctrine tomorrow? Or maybe they themselves will say so subsequently after first claiming that it was a revelation (saving pathetic apologists the effort), like they did with the gay one...Yep, 'continuing revelation' is clearly where it's at! No gigantic, obvious holes in this system!

Maybe you guys can update your famous children's song "Follow the Prophet" in light of this..."Follow the prophet! He knows the way! Unless he doesn't! You'll have to wait for the next prophet or maybe the one after him or the one after him to be told what the way actually is! And then that'll change later on, too!"

Or you could write an entirely new version that is more accurate: "Follow the copyright date on the manual, because that's the only way we can even keep up with what we're supposedly believing now"

Well for one thing I trust the Bible:

(New Testament | Romans 1:24 - 30)

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

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[Ignatius the Kiwi]

How do Mormons explain Brigham Young's advocacy of the Adam/God doctrine? How could he be so dangerously wrong and still a legitimate prophet?

 

[He is the way]

How do Mormons explain Brigham Young's advocacy of the Adam/God doctrine? How could he be so dangerously wrong and still a legitimate prophet?

I do not believe that Brigham Young advocated the Adam God theory. I believe His speech was written down wrong in the JOD. The "--" indicates that part of his talk is missing.