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[The Gregorian]

I think it's safe to say that most people here accept that masturbation is natural and not a "sin" in and of itself (unless it's based on a hurtful fantasy, including being with someone else's wife, etc.).


So... I want to hear from anyone who still thinks it's a sin, and why. Just take this into consideration:

two most common things I hear is "you shouldn't waste your seed" and "you're thinking of something that isn't yours."

To that I respond with: what if a woman masturbates, thinking about her husband? Women don't "lose seed" just because they're stimulated, and her husband is... well, her husband... what she thinks about in her head, would be just fine if she actually did it... therefore it's not an issue of "coveting"

 

[ladybug01]

Masturbation is always a sin because it takes away the effects of sex from the marriage act. We have sex for two reasons: "babies and bonding." Masturbation is obviously not procreative-- it's sex with oneself and no babies can come from that. In addition, it does not seek to unite husband and wife, but seperates them.

Psychologically, masturbation stimulates unhealthy desires. These desires lead to a greater and greater "need" for sex, which thus creates the desire to touch more often and demand sexual satisfaction immediately.

Masturbation, because of it's very nature (self-stimulation) is a gravely disordered act. It not only causes problems for the one doing it, but it also causes tension and stress if the (wo)man is married.

 

[hernyaccent]

Psychologically, masturbation stimulates unhealthy desires. These desires lead to a greater and greater "need" for sex, which thus creates the desire to touch more often and demand sexual satisfaction immediately.

Masturbation, because of it's very nature (self-stimulation) is a gravely disordered act. It not only causes problems for the one doing it, but it also causes tension and stress if the (wo)man is married.

Psychologically masturbation is unharmful. Any scientific evidence that is causes problems? Sources.
Can masturbating harm me in any way?

No. Masturbation is harmless to the body, both physically and psychologically. There are many myths about masturbation that are not true; masturbation does not cause blindness, sexual inadequacy, loss of sexual organs, acne or hair growth on the palms or anywhere else."

http://www.ppgg.org/medical/faqs/faqs_masturbation.asp

 

[Onesiphorus]

Masturbation is always a sin because it takes away the effects of sex from the marriage act. We have sex for two reasons: "babies and bonding."

Two major problems with this logic. First, I know of at least three couples in my immediate circle of friends that can not procreate. For medical reasons, two of the women can not conceive and one male can not produce viable sperm. Are they "taking away from marriage" (ie sinning) because they can't make babies? Second, and more important, is the cause and effect is backward. We have bonding in marriage, therefore; we have sex. We do not have sex for bonding (in a Christian marriage).

 

[MoonlessNight]

Personally I think masturbation is immoral because it is an act that is directed only toward's one's own pleasure. It is an example of seeking pleasure for pleasure's sake, and is particularly troubling over other forms of hedonism because of the instantaneous nature of the pleasure. The act is then necessarily self-centered and in that way only distracts us from our purpose to be good human beings.

Now, I know that that will hardly convince anyone, as I follow a system of morality that is not very popular these days. But it's not meant to be an argument, merely an explanation.

And before anyone asks, I would view a drug that gave instant pleasure to the user in much the same way that I view masturbation, and thus would view using that drug as immoral, regardless of the other properties of that drug (i.e. addictiveness, presence or absence of side effects etc.).

 

[Kmart]

It is an example of seeking pleasure for pleasure's sake

Hmmm... In my experience it's used more as relief... It's possible to get so backed up you can't think straight... if no other outlet is available, masturbation lets you get back to baseline.

 

[MoonlessNight]

Hmmm... In my experience it's used more as relief... It's possible to get so backed up you can't think straight... if no other outlet is available, masturbation lets you get back to baseline.

I can see what you mean, but from my personal experience the only time that I've reached anything like that state is when I've been concentrating on sexual fantasies anyway, so my arousal gets to the point where it overpowers my will. But I've never had a moment where I've just suddenly had so much sexual desire out of the blue that sexual activity was the only way to take care of it. Certainly I temptations and bits of fantasies appear naturally for me, but I find that if I don't follow up on them they take care of themselves. Maybe that's just how it works for me.

But anyway, my point is that a virtuous person in my perspective wouldn't get to the point where masturbation was the only way out.

I suppose I should caveat this all by saying that if someone did get sexually aroused to an extent where they couldn't resist masturbation through no fault of their own (perhaps they had accidentally injested some aphrodisiacs), then I wouldn't condemn them for masturbating.

 

[Onesiphorus]

Personally I think masturbation is immoral because it is an act that is directed only toward's one's own pleasure. It is an example of seeking pleasure for pleasure's sake, and is particularly troubling over other forms of hedonism because of the instantaneous nature of the pleasure.

With this in mind... I should not take a wonderfully hot, relaxing soak in the tub? Listen to beautiful music (alone)? Get a message? Eat a nice piece (not pie) of apple pie? View a beautiful sun-set... just because I love the view?

You get the picture.

 

[corvus_corax]

With this in mind... I should not take a wonderfully hot, relaxing soak in the tub? Listen to beautiful music (alone)? Get a message? Eat a nice piece (not pie) of apple pie? View a beautiful sun-set... just because I love the view?

You get the picture.

Completely agree
Oh, and lets not forget chocolate
When I eat chocolate, it is not for any reason other than the pure pleasure of it.
I guess thats immoral now.

 

[corvus_corax]

Now, I know that that will hardly convince anyone, as I follow a system of morality that is not very popular these days. But it's not meant to be an argument, merely an explanation.

Do you mind if I ask what that system is, or what its based on? At least then, we might have some idea of where you are 'coming from' (so to speak)

If you do mind, however, then feel free to ignore my question

 

[PSETranslator]

Remember. The Bible says that It is O.K to have sex between 2 people inside marrige yet no where in the bible does it say it is appropriate to have solo sex.

THE BIBLE IS SILENT ABOUT MASTRUBATION........YET
the bible also says do not fill your minds with pornographic thoughts or lusting on women so if mastrubation leads to this then yes, I think it is a sin.

REMEMBER. The Bible has no mistakes. So it is either sinful or Non sinful.

I think it is SINFUL

If you have any questions PM me.


In Christ,
PSETranslator

 

[Jeff*The One*Smith]

As soon as I quit christianity and got into masturbation, the dirty thoughts went away. Infact I had still ended up masturbating as a christian with a lot more dirty fantasties than before (hormones). Only I didn't feel guilty and naturally, its natural. I mean dogs mount each other all the time (before you all get rieled up think about it, its true), so its takes care of hormones and dispells dirty thoughts.

 

[Jarrodinabubble]

It's natural. Animals do it all the time. I saw a monkey at the zoo when I was a wee one, (5 years ago) and he was just going at it. You say that g-d made the monkey, so did he tell it to touch to? If so, then g-d says touching yourself is ok.

 

[jgarden]

"When the temptation to touch is strong, yell "STOP!' to those thoughts as loudly as you can in your mind. Then recite a portion of the Bible or sing a hymn." (Mormon Guide to Self-Control)

I suggest that if you sing hymns or recite Scripture in the washroom people will become suspicious.

 

[Jarrodinabubble]

"When the temptation to touch is strong, yell "STOP!' to those thoughts as loudly as you can in your mind. Then recite a portion of the Bible or sing a hymn." (Mormon Guide to Self-Control)

I suggest that if you sing hymns or recite Scripture in the washroom people will become suspicious.

I remember reading this. They say to wear lots of clothes to bed so you don't.. err.. wander. Very.. interesting... stuff.

 

[morningstar2651]

Practice makes perfect.

 

[morningstar2651]

Remember. The Bible says that It is O.K to have sex between 2 people inside marrige yet no where in the bible does it say it is appropriate to have solo sex.

THE BIBLE IS SILENT ABOUT MASTRUBATION........YET
the bible also says do not fill your minds with pornographic thoughts or lusting on women so if mastrubation leads to this then yes, I think it is a sin.

REMEMBER. The Bible has no mistakes. So it is either sinful or Non sinful.

I think it is SINFUL

If you have any questions PM me.


In Christ,
PSETranslator

Err...you haven't even hit puberty yet...and you're giving sex advice!?

 

[Jarrodinabubble]

Err...you haven't even hit puberty yet...and you're giving sex advice!?

Oooh the irony.


I think thats the word I'm looking for.

 

[Entrench]

Do you people even read The Bible? you are putting your own selfish desires (in this case personal pleasure) above the wants and commands of God. Blasphemers! Have you no morals? The Lord will indeed call you down for your judgement, for your thoughts that He works only with those of age. Let The Will of God rule in your lives, and may He have mercy on your slanderous souls.

 

[morningstar2651]

Do you people even read The Bible? you are putting your own selfish desires (in this case personal pleasure) above the wants and commands of God. Blasphemers! Have you no morals? The Lord will indeed call you down for your judgement, for your thoughts that He works only with those of age. Let The Will of God rule in your lives, and may He have mercy on your slanderous souls.

Do you have anything better to do than flame people that think it's okay to beat the bishop/floss the cat?

I have morals...they're different from yours.