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Because that would mean he's been lying about it to Congress and to the American People.How is it an impeachable offense to have received money from Russians and used it for business purposes, exactly?
Well that at least makes sense to me. I get it, but I think it might not be very satisfying when most Trump supporters respond with: "Yeah, we don't care at all."To say: "I told ya so!"
Has he said he didn't do business with Russians?Because that would mean he's been lying about it to Congress and to the American People.
Or, as I'm sure would be argued in this scenario, it would show that some Russian people influenced his business decisions (which, I'm fairly certain is in no way illegal), but that he made policy decisions independent of that. Which pretty much leaves the populace as divided on the issue as they are currently.It it's shown his financial interest influenced his decisions with regards to Russia (in this case) that would be an impeachable offense.
Those words sound awfully familiar ....
And? Say it's discovered that he's been receiving large sums of money from Russian oligarchs for decades, and has used this money in his myriad business ventures. What then?
He promised to release the tax returns when he got elected and the american people elected him, so they clearly trust him enough that he doesnt have to release his tax returns.He's also refusing to release his tax returns, despite his campaign promise to release them. That's not the action of an innocent man who has nothing to hide. That's the reaction of a man who's trying to hide some damaging information about himself that could possibly incriminate him in a court of law.
Cool, so he said he had no "current" deals in Russia, didn't know Putin at that time, and didn't know the inner workings of the Russian government. Maybe you could catch him on one of those things. And then add that to the list of several hundred other lies which he has told. I still am not sure where this will get anyone. Certainly it would be great if our presidents and other politicians weren't allowed to lie, but is that the case?
I think you're getting your hopes up for nothing. Trump has already had a RICO civil suit brought against him, and it ended simply in a monetary settlement.RICO time.
Cool, so he said he had no "current" deals in Russia, didn't know Putin at that time, and didn't know the inner workings of the Russian government. Maybe you could catch him on one of those things. And then add that to the list of several hundred other lies which he has told. I still am not sure where this will get anyone. Certainly it would be great if our presidents and other politicians weren't allowed to lie, but is that the case?
Yes, I'm "moving the goalposts"...I asked a question, which you answered, and then moved on from there. Isn't that normally the way a conversation goes? As for whether Trump currently does or does not have any debt in Russia, I haven't the slightest idea. I wouldn't take him at his word that he doesn't, but I just think it is unrealistic to expect him to be removed from office if he does.He also claimed to have no debt in Russia, which contradicts Trump Jr. claims made back in 2008. It's certainly possible that what Trump Jr. said in 2008 was no longer true, but i'm skeptical.
"In terms of high-end product influx into the US, Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets," Trump Jr. said during a conference in New York in 2008."
Trump's oldest son said a decade ago that a lot of the family's assets came from Russia
Feel free to move the goal posts again (remember when you simply asked "Has he said he didn't do business with Russians?"), but Trump and those in his campaign repeatedly lied about their contacts and associations with Russians. That Mueller didn't find proof of Trump coordinating with the hacking activities (i.e. criminal conspiracy) doesn't change that fact.
Or, as I'm sure would be argued in this scenario, it would show that some Russian people influenced his business decisions (which, I'm fairly certain is in no way illegal), but that he made policy decisions independent of that. Which pretty much leaves the populace as divided on the issue as they are currently.
Yes, I'm "moving the goalposts"...I asked a question, which you answered, and then moved on from there. Isn't that normally the way a conversation goes? As for whether Trump currently does or does not have any debt in Russia, I haven't the slightest idea. I wouldn't take him at his word that he doesn't, but I just think it is unrealistic to expect him to be removed from office if he does.
I didn't say "who cares?" because it's obvious that people, yourself included, do. What I've been trying to figure out is what people who care expect to see as an outcome of these financial disclosures. It seems that people hope to find that the President has lied, and that he will be impeached and/or arrested. I'm just not seeing which lies could possibly be uncovered which would lead, realistically, to such actions being taken against him based on information contained in these bank records. The best case scenario I can think of is that they would show he has taken money from people in Russia during his time as a Presidential candidate, and even in that scenario I don't see how it would lead to the outcome people wish to see.You asked the question, with the context "why are people bringing this up, did Trump even claim that he didn't have any business in Russia?", then, when shown that Trump did, in fact say that specifically and repeatedly, you dismiss it with "well who cares?". Why ask the question if your response was going to be "who cares?" anyway?
Having debt to Russia itself isn't impeachable. Not disclosing that debt is certainly a problem. Actions in office that might have been done for personal benefit in the context of that debt could absolutely be impeachable offenses.
He's been cozying up to Putin since his time in his campaign, with actions including, but not limited to, publicly taking Putin's word over our intelligence agencies regarding Russian collusion. If it turns out he was indebted to Russia while he was taking Russia's claims over our intelligence agencies claims, well, that might indicate that his allegiance was compromised.
Trump's personal lawyer, Jay Sekulow, suggested the next step will be an appeal to the Supreme Court.
Now TWO lower federal courts have ruled that Capital One and Deutsche Bank can share Trump's financial information with the House investigative committees.
Judge says Deutsche Bank, Capital One can give Trump financial records to House Democrats
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