More and More lazy stay at home wives

I have no doubt that there are devout Christians on this board like ValleyGal , ProudMomxmany and others who believe their positions on marriage as well as host of other positions are indeed Biblically based on their own interpretation and understanding of the Scriptures, and I can respect that.

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Except you haven't respected it, and that's the point.

From my background, it is not considered disrespectful, or degrading to say that you believe another’s Christian’s position (or a whole other Christian denomination’s position) was “unbiblical”.

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In that case, Musing, everything you say about marriage is unbiblical and a careful study of scripture in context will absolutely prove your beliefs unbliblical.

I am sure that throughout this thread where people have told you that certain beliefs are unbiblical, you have felt disrespected, and that when I finally started responding in your own frame of reference to your beliefs that you likely felt more respected. You have felt disrespected, and I'm sure of it. I think you are not being honest with yourself if you say you felt respected every time someone said your beliefs are unbiblical.

So I am saying it now. Your beliefs about marriage are unbiblical. Period. If you want your marriage to be biblical, you need to change your entire construct of what marriage is.

musingsofacac said:

In my background there is a big difference between saying that someone is acting “unchristian” vs “unbiblical”.

I have attended churches all over the country (when I have moved for work, or my dad did, or for Bible conferences) and never have I been in a group of Christians that regarded “unbiblical” as a derogatory phrase the way it is here.

Simply put when one believer says to another that he believes something to be “unbiblical”,(whether he is saying it of that person’s conduct or an entire group) it means he believes based on his interpretation of the Scriptures that God does not condone that behavior, or it somehow violates one of God’s commands or principles for Christian living.

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You're talking out of both sides of your mouth here.

It's not unchristian it just "violates one of God's commands or principles of Christian living?"

Please.

That being said, I believe I have detected that this board is only tolerant of privately held beliefs. Basically you say “I just believe this is right or wrong (whatever the subject) for my family, or this is Biblical or unbiblical for my family or marriage” then everything is kosher.

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It's not a privately held belief when you go around preaching it to everyone else. You took it public when you posted it in public.

But if you have a conviction about something (based on your own interpretation and understanding of the Bible) that something is wrong or right for everyone – that type of thought won’t be tolerated.

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We're tolerating it. We're just disagreeing with it.

And finally – just because I believe certain things to Biblical or unbiblical (as most the Christians I have ever met in my life believe things can be Biblical or unbiblical) – does not mean everything in my life in “Biblical”. We all fall short of the glory of God, we all sin, even as believers.

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So, not holding a "biblical" view of marriage is a sin?

Do you not see how that's rude?

But just because I fall short of what I think God wants me to be as a Christian, a husband and father does not mean I don’t think he has standards to which I need to strive to attain.

My effort to follow God's commands regarding marriage or other topics in no way saves me, only Christ’s shed blood does. But that does not mean because I am not saved by works, that God does not want me to do good works, and to strive model my life after what I believe is God’s purpose and design for it.

I am done on this thread. The 300 posts have come to an end.

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No one has a problem with you living according to your own convictions. What we have a problem with is you calling the rest of us sinners for not living according to your own convictions.

You've made this into a sin issue where it's not one. That's pure legalism.

I guess by removing his posts Muse is either admitting defeat or pouting.

That's a real mature attitude you've got going there.

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I have heard some things here and recognized some things in my life that need work. I have never said I was the perfect husband in any way shape or form. But what I am getting from you and others is – if I open my marriage and am asking questions about what people think, if they respond on how their marriage works, I am forbidden from saying I disagree from a Biblical perspective of the example they are giving me from their marriage.

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Muse you have included me in your above post so I am going to respond.

First, you have seen for many posts and many days that your disagreement with these women has inflamed several posters yet you continue. Yes, I also think that a few have done the same to you and I have even posted about that on this thread in an earlier post.

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“I totally realize that my conviction and belief on this may be offensive to many people …”


Secondly, you came here to hear women’s viewpoint that are like your wives and in fact you have stated that some of these women offered valid advice.

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You are correct that the main reason I come here is not to hear the viewpoint of women who agree with my traditional convictions about marriage(There are a few on this forum, but they are mostly silent here).

It is to hear people who think like my wife, and most of these women do. You are also correct that some of these ladies have offered valid advice on relating to my wife better, and I acknowledge that.

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Since you are here to hear people that think like your wife then STOP offending them!!

You did not come here to tell anyone that they are “Unbiblical” according to your interpretation you came here to get information so that you can relate to your wife better.

I am not taking sides on the traditional verses the egalitarian position as I am about sick of that debate. No one is going to change their minds with the offenses that have been made from both sides. I am trying to get this discussion to be a little less inflamed and more in the Christian spirit that will be more helpful to the Christian family such as the posters on this forum. That is why I said in my last post

The spirit of the Christian family is more important than your interpretation or their interpretation of the biblical position on marriage roles.

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However, now I think that the insults coming from both sides have ruined any chance of anyone from either side being able to help the other.


Muse,
Even though you and I do not agree 100% on the working mother issue and I think that you stepped over the line, your positive qualities outweigh your offenses on this thread IMO. I would encourage you to concentrate on your positive qualities, keep learning and improving, and stop trying to inform others on this thread of their unbiblical views on marriage.

Furthermore, I think that if you did that you will have a better chance of making your relationship with your wife better. That really is much more important to you than convincing anyone on this forum that they have unbiblical views and actions regarding marriage roles.


Take care my brother

Stan

Musing, rather than go through the whole thread editing out your posts, you can have the thread locked. All you have to do is report it to the mods with the request to close the thread. They are usually pretty good about it.