More Americans opposed to impeachment

[mukk_in]

Word of caution: The 3% difference between those who oppose (47%) and those in favor (44%) of impeachment is within the margin of polling error.

Looks like this is a non-starter.

Trump's approval rating drops to new low, but most still oppose impeachment, CNBC survey finds

PS: I don't trust polls much.

 

[FenderTL5]

CBS poll had a different majority, with 55% in favor of the inquiry

 

[Halbhh]

Word of caution: The 3% difference between those who oppose (47%) and those in favor (44%) of impeachment is within the margin of polling error.

Looks like this is a non-starter.

Trump's approval rating drops to new low, but most still oppose impeachment, CNBC survey finds

PS: I don't trust polls much.

We shouldn't trust only one poll alone. But the more recent polling will be a better indicator.

Here's another:

CBS News poll: Majority of Americans and Democrats approve of Trump impeachment inquiry

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

I would support the impeachment just to get that twitter storm from Trump. Also to see the utter nonaction of these civil war promoters.

 

[mukk_in]

Oh yes, I think the House will impeach him. But we all know what will happen next. He may also be the first President to be impeached and be re-elected. Anyway, I'll believe that he's guilty if he's actually impeached by both houses and/or loses 2020, sans which, I'll have to give him the benefit of doubt.

The interesting thing about the CNBC poll is that the % of undecided jumped from 5% to 9% bringing the total against impeachment to 56%.

 

[AvilaSurfer]

Just another example of Congress allegedly doing work, and accomplishing nothing. Oh well, at least they’re not passing any more stupid unnecessary laws.

 

[childeye 2]

I think if the facts were known by those against impeachment they would be for impeachment. The polls show two things, the effectiveness of propaganda messaging, and the gullibility of a percentage of the electorate to believe it.

 

[pdudgeon]

CBS poll had a different majority, with 55% in favor of the inquiry

but CBS is run by the Democrats, so it would be unusual to have a poll by them come out against impeachment.
And more unusual if they were to publish such results.

 

[Yarddog]

Word of caution: The 3% difference between those who oppose (47%) and those in favor (44%) of impeachment is within the margin of polling error.

Looks like this is a non-starter.

Trump's approval rating drops to new low, but most still oppose impeachment, CNBC survey finds

PS: I don't trust polls much.

Polls vary. Some have Americans favor impeachment. Some have them even and some show more oppose but in most, they show the numbers are moving towards favoring impeachment.

 

[Halbhh]

Oh yes, I think the House will impeach him. But we all know what will happen next. He may also be the first President to be impeached and be re-elected. Anyway, I'll believe that he's guilty if he's actually impeached by both houses and/or loses 2020, sans which, I'll have to give him the benefit of doubt.

The interesting thing about the CNBC poll is that the % of undecided jumped from 5% to 9% bringing the total against impeachment to 56%.

Here's a site that reports on all polls and I know they are competent. But their last article is already out of date for the polls, because many may not like Trump trying to suggest the whistleblower should be killed.

So I'll watch here in the coming weeks once more new polls are combined:
FiveThirtyEight

 

[childeye 2]

Oh yes, I think the House will impeach him. But we all know what will happen next. He may also be the first President to be impeached and be re-elected. Anyway, I'll believe that he's guilty if he's actually impeached by both houses and/or loses 2020, sans which, I'll have to give him the benefit of doubt.

The interesting thing about the CNBC poll is that the % of undecided jumped from 5% to 9% bringing the total against impeachment to 56%.

It's only common sense that people are presumed innocent, since only the impure of heart would project their own guilt of conscience upon others. Which is why any display of prejudice is a clear indicator of a heart and mind ruled by un-substantive fear.

But here it is clearly negligent to give a benefit of the doubt to Donald Trump. We know he knows that Russia wanted to help him win because there was the meeting in the Trump Tower documented and even admitted to. For him to now be trying to use private sources and the DOJ and the State Department, and also solicit foreign countries to try and further the false counter narrative, that the U.S. intelligence agencies were wrong about Russian interference and their ties to his campaign, is now an all too obvious political stunt only viable to brainwashed minions.

The dangers of his incessant abuse of the power of the Presidency to slander his political opposition, spread hatred against those who are trying to report the truth in the press, calling them all vicious disgusting people, is actually creating the conditions for civil war. News sites have been bombed and people shot and killed. This is serious stuff.

 

[nonaeroterraqueous]

...and also solicit foreign countries to try and further the false counter narrative....

For the record, your "false counter narrative" was already a publicly known thing, via some alternate news sources, long before Trump was elected. He didn't just invent this thing during his presidency.

 

[childeye 2]

For the record, your "false counter narrative" was already a publicly known thing, via some alternate news sources, long before Trump was elected. He didn't just invent this thing during his presidency.

Please qualify your terms. I did not present a false counter narrative. The Trump tower meeting happened, and that's a fact.

 

[Halbhh]

About 30% of Americans identify as Democrat.
About 29% identify as Republican.
And that leaves around 40% or so that are Independent.

So, if 44% to 55% support impeachment (or around 1/2) ..... That means a lot of independents support impeachment. (Of course, the Constitution is in control of that process, where if impeached in the House, it goes to the Senate for a trial)

Another aspect of all of this is that support for impeachment is a real...pronounced position. Here's why:

Americans know the 2020 election is coming, and Trump could just lose the election.

So, to actually support impeachment even though it's only a bit more than a year till the election, means a lot has happened to make many feel that their previous feeling of just wait till the election isn't good enough.

 

[HannahT]

I haven't been reading much about the impeachment stuff as of late, because at first it's all about the drama...and not many facts.

When facts start to come out the polls will change again.

Unless they have something seriously rock solid? The support to impeachment will go down.

At this point both sides are just trying to get their messaging out, and it normally has nothing to do with the facts at hand.

 

[Halbhh]

I haven't been reading much about the impeachment stuff as of late, because at first it's all about the drama...and not many facts.

When facts start to come out the polls will change again.

Unless they have something seriously rock solid? The support to impeachment will go down.

At this point both sides are just trying to get their messaging out, and it normally has nothing to do with the facts at hand.

I hope you're correct, and I think you are certainly correct for a large part of Americans, that very many will indeed respond to careful objective facts. Whether they are a majority remains to be seen, but I'm thinking a majority would. For myself, I already know Trump continues to do what is prohibited here: Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 6:10 - New International Version -- and that no one, believer or not, that slanders others such as immigrants for example without repentance for it, will make it into heaven. Nor would any that repeat slanders, unless they too repent. That's so much more important than whether a democrat or a republican is the president of the day. The greatest danger Trump creates for Christians is if any follow him into repeating deadly slanders (such as against individuals, or against groups like immigrants) that would doom those repeating the slanders to the second death unless they repent of it.

 

[childeye 2]

About 30% of Americans identify as Democrat.
About 29% identify as Republican.
And that leaves around 40% or so that are Independent.

So, if 44% to 55% support impeachment (or around 1/2) ..... That means a lot of independents support impeachment. (Of course, the Constitution is in control of that process, where if impeached in the House, it goes to the Senate for a trial)

Another aspect of all of this is that support for impeachment is a real...pronounced position. Here's why:

Americans know the 2020 election is coming, and Trump could just lose the election.

So, to actually support impeachment even though it's only a bit more than a year till the election, means a lot has happened to make many feel that their previous feeling of just wait till the election isn't good enough.

Excellent point. When posing the question of do you favor impeachment, the question as posed does not account for those who would rather just let the people decide in an election because they do not believe the Senate will do the apolitical thing anyway.

 

[Yarddog]

For the record, your "false counter narrative" was already a publicly known thing, via some alternate news sources, long before Trump was elected. He didn't just invent this thing during his presidency.

"Alternate news sources" Lol, that's right wing conspiracy and propaganda news, isn't it.

 

[childeye 2]

I haven't been reading much about the impeachment stuff as of late, because at first it's all about the drama...and not many facts.

When facts start to come out the polls will change again.

Unless they have something seriously rock solid? The support to impeachment will go down.

At this point both sides are just trying to get their messaging out, and it normally has nothing to do with the facts at hand.

The facts are already out. One person sees green and another sees olive. But in semantics, while there are always shades of gray to obfuscate and debate, no one can dispute from which direction the Light is shining.

 

[HannahT]

The facts are already out. One person sees green and another sees olive. But in semantics, while there are always shades of gray to obfuscate and debate, no one can dispute from which direction the Light is shining.

The facts always drip out slowly. This is just the tip no doubt. It always goes that way.