Morality

[1whirlwind]

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I am amazed to see such a change in morality over the years in such a relatively short period of time. We are bombarded with so much through radio, television, movies and the internet. There is no doubt those in control purposely dig away at decency and what is, or should be, acceptable behavior. Have they changed the norm for most people? They certainly try and they make what is unacceptable easier to accept.

American Idol was a favorite of mine...family show, entertaining, no bad language, at least until this past season with Steven Tyler. And too, I thought Jennifer Lopez was a terrific judge but then...she danced and it was no longer a family show. Of course that has happened through the seasons with their guest entertainers.

The kids in the competition are, for the most part, wholesome...but the acts they bring in are many times way over the top and disgusting.

Well this year I thought I would watch Dancing With the Stars.

LET THE 'DANCING' BEGIN!​

So, to this family show they bring in a transgender, female to male, and she/he think's it's grand because it can teach others. Teach them what? :o

Isaiah 3:9 The shew of their countenance doth witness against them; and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not. Woe unto their soul! for they have rewarded evil unto themselves.
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It is much like the show Glee. I watched one episode a few years ago. On that one show (geared for teens) there were two lesbian cheerleaders propositioning a young man, a gymnastic teacher jumping in bed with the principal (and she is in real life a lesbian), while there is a young gay man in the glee club. But, it is encased in music and dancing that captures the hearts of young people.

A spoonful of sugar makes the medicine go down.​

Not long ago Glenn Beck said he and his wife watched Glee. He just shook his head and said, we can't win against this. The other side is really, really good at what they do.


That's my rant for the day. I will say, I am glad my two girls are grown and I don't have to police the media to protect them, as they now have to do for their children.



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[Amber the Duskbringer]

I know the bible talks about homosexuality in the NT but where does it say that being transgender is a sin? Is this one of those "I think it's weird so it has to be in the bible somwhere" threads? The country has always been sinning just some are too complacent to realize it. From the founding of this country with a rebellion, from the wars over slavery which was law then, to women fighting for their rights and not submitting to males. Why are christians picking and choosing what sins to follow when in reality if they aren't buckling down to the government and their husbands they are sinning? Why do we justify divorce and remarriage when it is a clear sin? Why are we fighting laws already in place like separation of church and state? Give unto Caesar what is his yes? You are allowed to preach etc just not on public property where others may be liable. The world didn't end over 200 years ago when this country fought to free itself from Britain and it sure isn't going to end because Chaz is out there telling people it's not wrong to be yourself. Before we go and judge others and claim sin realize their is a massive log in our eyes that needs to be plucked first and to be honest, if the world didn't want stuff like this on tv then christians should have fought just a wee bit harder against it. They reap what they sow and all that brimstone is now burning their bum.

 

[1whirlwind]

I know the bible talks about homosexuality in the NT but where does it say that being transgender is a sin? Is this one of those "I think it's weird so it has to be in the bible somwhere" threads? The country has always been sinning just some are too complacent to realize it. From the founding of this country with a rebellion, from the wars over slavery which was law then, to women fighting for their rights and not submitting to males. Why are christians picking and choosing what sins to follow when in reality if they aren't buckling down to the government and their husbands they are sinning? Why do we justify divorce and remarriage when it is a clear sin? Why are we fighting laws already in place like separation of church and state? Give unto Caesar what is his yes? You are allowed to preach etc just not on public property where others may be liable. The world didn't end over 200 years ago when this country fought to free itself from Britain and it sure isn't going to end because Chaz is out there telling people it's not wrong to be yourself. Before we go and judge others and claim sin realize their is a massive log in our eyes that needs to be plucked first and to be honest, if the world didn't want stuff like this on tv then christians should have fought just a wee bit harder against it. They reap what they sow and all that brimstone is now burning their bum.

I rest my case. What is unacceptable has now become acceptable. ​

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[Amber the Duskbringer]

Site the scripture from NT that clearly makes being transgender a sin. This is a real question and bonus points are awarded for recognizing being trans != being gay.

Jeopardy rules do not apply.

 

[1whirlwind]

Site the scripture from NT that clearly makes being transgender a sin. This is a real question and bonus points are awarded for recognizing being trans != being gay.

Jeopardy rules do not apply.

I don't require points or games to answer you Amber.

Whether or not someone is gay or not....changes their body or not....isn't the point. I don't want to see it. I don't want others flaunting it as normal or teaching my grandchildren it's normal. It isn't.

A television show families sit in front of is not the place to show, or discuss such things. And please....stop with the log in one's eye talk. To overlook such blatant attempts to normalize what is not normal...would mean I was blind.



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[Amber the Duskbringer]

Being transgender doesn't mean you are gay. That is fallacy. I am just curious if some of the people complaining about it understand the difference. Just because you find it icky doesn't mean it is a sin. What is normal is relative, it used to be normal to have slaves, it used to be normal to believe the earth was flat, it used to be normal for this and that but times change. Doesn't mean it's the end times.

As for the log in your eye bit well I guess than since you aren't blind you see the point I made ^__^

 

[1whirlwind]

Being transgender doesn't mean you are gay. That is fallacy. I am just curious if some of the people complaining about it understand the difference. Just because you find it icky doesn't mean it is a sin. What is normal is relative, it used to be normal to have slaves, it used to be normal to believe the earth was flat, it used to be normal for this and that but times change. Doesn't mean it's the end times.

As for the log in your eye bit well I guess than since you aren't blind you see the point I made ^__^

If being transgender means you aren't gay then....does that make it okey-dokey? If I wanted to slice off a body part because it was, to use your word, "icky" then is that okay?


You miss the point Amber. Please read the OP again and try to stop accusing others of blindness because they disagree with your Disney World upbringing of normality.



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[JRSut1000]

Just as an add-on, I was thinking about how rotten the media has become just by watching commercials. Yesterday I saw the advertisement for a new show coming out called "Revenge". I told my husband "Are you serious? THIS is the stuff society wants to teach us?" I shouldn't be shocked my anything.

Then a couple days ago, I saw a preview for another show that was just so bloody and gory and full of violence and yes, promiscuity too.

Then I figured I'd watch a little bit of a tame show, and I was not happy with the 'family values' shown. It portrayed things so upside down and made it normal.

And this is just television alone I know. While TV does affect society, it does reflect actual society and their desires. Basically, it's on tv because 'we' want it to be.

Anyways, don't get me up on a soapbox. I know society is bad. But nothing will change unless people see a God who is real, and they are gonna [hopefully] see that through God's people - in love, in truth, and with signs and wonders accompanying. Only a real God can change hearts and lives.

 

[Amber the Duskbringer]

If being transgender means you aren't gay then....does that make it okey-dokey? If I wanted to slice off a body part because it was, to use your word, "icky" then is that okay?

Site the scripture involving that being sinful please, it's all I am asking and you continue to dodge the question. Does that mean that people who get nosejobs or breast enlargement or reduction are sinning? And to answer if it's ok to slice the part that is icky, well it all depends on your level of dysphoria. I personally cannot and could not cope with being in a male body. So yes when my therapist and doctor and another therapist approve my srs of course I will get it. Now I answered your question, would you please site the scripture in NT involving transgender being sinful?

You miss the point Amber. Please read the OP again and try to stop accusing others of blindness because they disagree with your Disney World upbringing of normality.

The only point I saw was you blasting a show where people are continuously rubbing up against each other and it's only sinful when the transguy appears :O As for the disney land comment. You are aware that you are calling me out for having a clean view of the world while you complain about vulgar television yes? And for the record I am not accusing you, I am asking you to site the scripture involving the sin of being transgender. I am not even talking about gay/lesbian because it's obviously there in the scripture. How about that body grinding they do on DWTS, what part of that fit your view of family television? :3

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[JRSut1000]

Transgender? How about this: A woman must not wear men's clothing, nor a man wear women's clothing, for the LORD your God detests anyone who does this. -Deut 22:5

Basically, God is saying if you're made a man, don't try to look like or be a woman (and vice verse).

I really don't want the transgender debate to take hold of the entire conversation, but it's not my thread so hey, whatever goes I guess.

 

[Amber the Duskbringer]

Ok well then while we are on the topic of OT rules, what are the fibers of your clothes made of? I don't care for the topic to lean that way either but the OP brought it up and has yet to site scripture involving it, I ask because if the OT rules still apply by your logic bring that up, why should the other rules not apply? Or if they don't apply then why does that rule still apply?

Again, this is about all the stuff he brought up. He mentioned that show went from being family oriented when the transguy appeared as opposed to it never being family oriented because of the body grinding involved. Why the inconsistencies?

 

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[Amber the Duskbringer]

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[circa02]

I don't require points or games to answer you Amber.

Whether or not someone is gay or not....changes their body or not....isn't the point. I don't want to see it. I don't want others flaunting it as normal or teaching my grandchildren it's normal. It isn't.

A television show families sit in front of is not the place to show, or discuss such things. And please....stop with the log in one's eye talk. To overlook such blatant attempts to normalize what is not normal...would mean I was blind.



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DO you not want to see shows that portray black people as equals? How about women? Try taking the log out of you're own eye before pointing out the splinters in others. Because of how people like you define what a "christian" is, I don't use that word to describe myself, not because I'm ashamed of my faith, but because I don't want unbelievers to associate me with you. As for you quoting Glenn Beck;

I rest my case. What is unacceptable has now become acceptable. ​

 

[1whirlwind]

Ok well then while we are on the topic of OT rules, what are the fibers of your clothes made of? I don't care for the topic to lean that way either but the OP brought it up and has yet to site scripture involving it, I ask because if the OT rules still apply by your logic bring that up, why should the other rules not apply? Or if they don't apply then why does that rule still apply?

Again, this is about all the stuff he brought up. He mentioned that show went from being family oriented when the transguy appeared as opposed to it never being family oriented because of the body grinding involved. Why the inconsistencies?

There is no inconsistency. I mentioned many things that are harmful, that are wrong...as is placing a transgender personality in the role of "teaching" others. His/her words...not mine.

Matthew 19:12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

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[1whirlwind]

DO you not want to see shows that portray black people as equals? How about women? Try taking the log out of you're own eye before pointing out the splinters in others. Because of how people like you define what a "christian" is, I don't use that word to describe myself, not because I'm ashamed of my faith, but because I don't want unbelievers to associate me with you. As for you quoting Glenn Beck;

I rest my case. What is unacceptable has now become acceptable. ​

So....recognizing moral turpitude and calling a spade a spade is met with....well what about flat earth, what about the rights of blacks, of women?

I don't care if women, men, blacks, whites or greens acted in the manner I see broadcast on television. When something is wrong it is wrong. To overlook it, to say...well your time would be better spent in crusading for Africans, or saving the ozone, or hugging trees....they are not the same thing. Pick a cause and defend it. You can do both at one time. No matter what crusade you're presently on...morality needs to be be foremost in all of them.


It is not having a log in one's eye to see depravity passed off as good and wholesome. It isn't and continuing on that path or not standing against it is in itself...an error.

Ezekiel 33:7-9 So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me. When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.
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[Amber the Duskbringer]

There is no inconsistency. I mentioned many things that are harmful, that are wrong...as is placing a transgender personality in the role of "teaching" others. His/her words...not mine.

I am not a eunuch silly I am not a servant of anyone but the lord and knowledge. What he is teaching is that being transgender should not be something that is hated/fear/misunderstood, but embraced much like you would embrace anyone else who is different. I have still yet to see someone prove that being transgender is a sin.

Matthew 19:12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

But I am not a eunuch and Chaz would most definitely not be one either.

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[1whirlwind]

WW - There is no inconsistency. I mentioned many things that are harmful, that are wrong...as is placing a transgender personality in the role of "teaching" others. His/her words...not mine.


Amber - I am not a eunuch silly I am not a servant of anyone but the lord and knowledge. What he is teaching is that being transgender should not be something that is hated/fear/misunderstood, but embraced much like you would embrace anyone else who is different. I have still yet to see someone prove that being transgender is a sin.

Matthew 19:12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

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But I am not a eunuch and Chaz would most definitely not be one either.

No one is saying you or Chaz are eunuchs. Please read the passage again. He is not teaching what you are seeing.​

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[Amber the Duskbringer]

No one is saying you or Chaz are eunuchs. Please read the passage again. He is not teaching what you are seeing.​

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Dude I just some meds and I am very very slow right now. What are you saying sir?

 

[1whirlwind]

Dude I just some meds and I am very very slow right now. What are you saying sir?

First thing is...I'm not a Dude, I'm an elderly Dudette.

Second, Jesus is not teaching us to be tolerant of all things. Right is right and wrong is wrong. We forgive those that repent...as we are forgiven upon repentance.

In the following passage He is acknowledging homosexuality by saying those that wish to see the kingdom of God make themselves as eunuchs, not physically but figuratively. That life is to be given up.

Matthew 19:12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.



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We all sin Amber but, as we are followers of Christ....we admit, repent and "go and sin no more." Your heart is tender Amber and that is always good but we must recognize there are lines drawn in the sand. We, as Christians...stay on one side of the line.

The older you get, at least for me, the clearer the line becomes.


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