Morality in politicians

[RDKirk]

Trumps nastys were before his presidency as far as we can prove. He shouldn't be judged for his personal life before he became president.

We always have and we always should.

A man's personal life displays his character, and character certainly matters when an office wields as much power as that of the President of the United States.

 

[RDKirk]

Not being an American I'm puzzled as to how cases like Roe v Wade and all others actually come before the supreme court - via state legislatures with an active case?

Someone with "legal standing," that is, someone who has actually personally been wronged must file suit against the government or another individual in a lower court. Depending on previous court precedent, the facts of that particular case, how that case weighs upon the understanding of current law and constitutionality, it may be tended by lower courts to higher courts until one court has sufficiently answered any remaining questions of constitutionality.

 

[RDKirk]

The problem is, you have lying going on both sides, so what do you do? A funny thing I remember on fb before I left - for years this atheist raged against Christians voting their Christianity, claiming he wanted no theocracy. But the second Trump was voted in, he raged about Christians not voting their Christianity. That's when I realized how most of these discussions really aren't honest - it's just about getting others to vote the way you want them to (not you personally). I say everyone should just cast their 1 vote the way they want to, it's their right. Then live with the consequences.

We all live with those consequences.

 

[RDKirk]

I found this chart on Twitter. I think it gives a very good perspective on being "pro-life" and on morality.View attachment 287719

Notre Dame did a study of the efficacy of various measures taken to reduce abortion an discovered that measures that prevented unwanted pregnancies, offered pregnant women ways to mitigate the difficulties of pregnancy and motherhood, or provided for easier and less expensive adoptions have been far more effective in reducing abortion than criminalization.

One of the researchers, who also happens to be a priest, pointed out, "Methods rooted in love are much more effective than criminalization."

 

[pescador]

I just don't agree with you. In 2016 all I wanted from Trump was to kill TPP and nominate conservative justices. I think he's done far more than that for the country, especially in terms of jobs and war (getting out of them), than any president I can remember in recent history. Working in an IT department, I watched hundreds of my co-workers train their replacements & lose their jobs under Obama. I just don't trust that the left really cares for Americans. As Bernie Sanders recently commented, they've become a party of rich coastal elites who have forgotten the working class.

Well I am "on the left", live in the Southwest, am not rich, and disagree with you 110%. Trump has cost jobs by the thousands and given Turkey to Russia to his ally, Putin, on his (Trump's) birthday. He looked the other way when Putin offered bounties to kill Americans and is in part responsible for 225,000+ COVID-19 deaths by his refusal to act on sound medical advice.

My career was in IT and nobody lost their jobs under President Obama. Maybe you're working for the wrong company or don't believe in free enterprise.

Thank God that tomorrow will be the beginning of the end of this incompetent, dishonest man.

 

[Vanellus]

The resolutions from the SBC are as binding on their membership as well as a net holds water.

And considering many of the Fathers of our faith like Moses, Jacob, Paul, and others...they didn't have clean records either.

Paul never slowed down even though he started how many riots?
Moses was hiding in the desert for what reason?
Nobody wanted to deal with Jacob for what reason?

I'm not saying that the founders of our faith were bad guys... just that they made mistakes and repented.

Did you offer the same forgiveness to Bill Clinton?

 

[JohnDB]

Did you offer the same forgiveness to Bill Clinton?

Not my daughter or my job.
I'd have raised her better than that if she was my daughter.

Of course Bill is a snake...
Honest politician is an oxymoron.

Like "jumbo shrimp".

 

[Vanellus]

Not my daughter or my job.
I'd have raised her better than that if she was my daughter.

Of course Bill is a snake...
Honest politician is an oxymoron.

Like "jumbo shrimp".

I'll take that as a no then!