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Chie

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Exactly! It's all about the lust of the flesh, not love. Marriage is indeed about love, and intimacy. Polygamy is conducive to neither, only lust. Something else has occurred to me. In the passages where men are chastised for dealing treacherously with the wife of his youth, etc. There is a clear warning against abandoning the wife for another. Well, since throughout scripture we see that God is concerned with the heart, even more than our actions, I ask you, when does a polygamous man abandon the first wife in his heart? Just because a man doesn't divorce a woman technically, the divorce happens in the heart, because men were designed to be monogamous. So this whole idea that they truly love all of these women at once is not true. They may be able to be friends with them, but the eros love will only be there for one woman. Most of the time the women are possessions though, not even friends. Of course what they will really have for the women is lust, and that won't last long before a new wife will need to be taken to satisfy the never ending lust.
I would have to agree not just by my own heart but by God's Word and instructions to the church and to all that will read and accept the truth and be converted. Not seeking the desires of the flesh, fulfilling the lust of the flesh but walking in the spirit fulfilling the Will of God in all things.
The devil will pervert what is Holy and people will fight for that perversion because they have given their will over to the prince of the air so they can live for themselves rather than God.
 
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Could they not cite this as an objection to your interpretation?

I have read everything Truthbearer.org, and every other poly site out there has to throw out. They twist scriptures, and won't acknowledge others. They are merely trying to justify their agenda.
 
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It is simply amazing what the human mind can conjure up to justify what the heart of man wants to live and believe.


I'm no more biased than you are. The objective researcher must concede that there is clear support from the Bible and natural law for polygamy.
 
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The fact of the matter is that women were never designed to share a husband, anymore then men were designed to need more than one woman sexually. Solomon and David were perfect examples of a constant biblical principle throughout the scriptures, which is that the lust of the flesh is never satisfied. If one woman isn't enough, two won't be either. Then 3 won't, and on and on. Once you don't take those thoughts captive, and allow them into your heart, you will then seek out variety, and no amount of it will ever be enough. There are so many scriptures that speak of never being satisfied, and then there is the contrast which is being conten at all times. When God said that if we delight ourselves in Him , He will give us the desires of our hearts, He wasn't saying that our lusts will be gratified, but rather that we would be completely happy with what ever he gave u. Our hearts change, not our possessions. Part of the curse was that the woman's sorrow would be great. Again, polygamy was a big part of this, because God knew that He designed the woman to be man's counterpart, not his property. The ironic thing to me is that the polygamists want to blame women who would be hurt and offended by polygamy , for sinful jealousy, yet never stop to think about where their desires to have more than one wife come from. A woman having her own husband, whom she shares with no other, is how she and he were designed. So it is quite unfair and inappropriate to say that man should be able to happily live out their sinful desires, but the woman has to get over her sinful jealousy. Just think about that logic. It doesn't make sense.
He wasn't saying that our lusts will be gratified


Sorry, but the OT makes it quite clear that God doesn't consider a desire for women (plural) to be "lust". It is a natural, God-instilled trait of men. The world "lust" applies when you covet women who are off-limits (i.e., married women).

The ironic thing to me is that the polygamists want to blame women who would be hurt and offended by polygamy , for sinful jealousy


I would totally understand my wife's natural tendency to be jealous. However, it would be my hope that she would move to a higher spiritual plane and overcome these feelings (out of selfless love). It doesn't work both ways (me having to get over my desire for an additional wife) because my first marriage would be conditional on my being able to take another wife.

yet never stop to think about where their desires to have more than one wife come from.


From God. Where is the sin in desiring to connect intimately with more than one woman? Is loving a sin?
 
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The NT verses are crystal clear in that the NT churches nor any of the apostles IN NO WAY promoted, taught or exampled polygamy.


The NT verses are not "crystal clear". The only verses concerning how many wives you can take are addressed to deacons and the like. Furthermore, based on what I've read, polygamy was practised during the time of the New Testament. Therefore, we can take the fact that Paul never outrightly condemned polygamy (to our knowledge) as weak evidence that he considered this arrangement acceptable.
 
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I have this question too. IF there were no sex involved in plural marriages (ie. if sex weren't in any part of the relationships with any of the additional spouses), WOULD MEN BE SO QUICK TO MARRY OTHER WOMEN?

I think not! I think it's the SEX they want with more than one woman, NOT THE SHARING OF THEIR HEART INTIMATELY with more than 1 wife.
Are we to believe that it's not mainly and possibly ONLY for the variety of sexual partners to enjoy? In my humble opinion, if men would be honest, we'd find the true source of their desires wasn't in bearing just their souls w/ multiple women.



Your post is wrong on so many levels.
 
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I'm no more biased than you are. The objective researcher must concede that there is clear support from the Bible and natural law for polygamy.
Convictions and truth are not from being biased but from the Word and the Spirit. The objective researcher , must concede that there is clear support from the Bible that man's sinful nature causes him to sin and not be in the will of God, when they lean to their own understanding.
 
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I think not! I think it's the SEX they want with more than one woman, NOT THE SHARING OF THEIR HEART INTIMATELY with more than 1 wife.
Are we to believe that it's not mainly and possibly ONLY for the variety of sexual partners to enjoy? In my humble opinion, if men would be honest, we'd find the true source of their desires wasn't in bearing just their souls w/ multiple women.
Been thinking about this today... you guys know that all that "sharing of the heart" Hallmark drivel isn't actually mentioned in the Bible anywhere? Biblical marriage mores are all about property protection and protecting bloodlines. I doubt the Bible authors would recognise half the stuff people come out with about sharing hearts and so on
 
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In the cases of Abraham, and Jacob, neither one wanted polygamy, and the bible makes it clear where their hearts were. Each of their hearts belonged to one woman, as well as their highest obligation next to God.
These two men were not polygamous in their hearts at all. In the case of David, it is quite likely he had no love for any of them. Solomon wrote some beautiful poetry, but I have to wonder if he spent more than one time with each woman, concubine, or wife. Intimacy was impossible there. Also perfect examples of no amount of women ever being enough. That brings us back to insatiable lusts.
Again, all of the supposed wonderful examples of polygamous scenarios are all made up fantasies. I can show you endless examples of sickening horror stories, and yes monogamy doesn't work perfectly because the people involved are not perfect, but the set up of monogamy is perfect. It is God's perfect design, so it is conducive to love and growth, and I can find lots of examples of really good monogamous relationships. I can find no good examples of polygamy. They are all filled wilth tremendous sorrow at best. Why, it is not the perfect design as God made it.
 
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In the cases of Abraham, and Jacob, neither one wanted polygamy,
*LMAO* Chapter and verse to support this outrageous claim please?
and the bible makes it clear where their hearts were. Each of their hearts belonged to one woman,
*LMAO* Chapter and verse to support this outrageous claim please?
Again, all of the supposed wonderful examples of polygamous scenarios are all made up fantasies.
Really? just about every non-Christian/Jewish culture in the world would diasagree with you and suggest that there are a great many examples of quite happy polygamous households, either extant or in history.
I can find no good examples of polygamy.
Abraham? Solomon? Are we only allowed to cite Christian examples?
 
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In the cases of Abraham, and Jacob, neither one wanted polygamy, and the bible makes it clear where their hearts were. Each of their hearts belonged to one woman, as well as their highest obligation next to God.

You bet your bugles that Abraham and Jacob wanted polygamy. And according to who did Abraham and Jacob love one woman only? The Bible is clear that Abraham loved Hagar as well as Sarah. And there is no evidence to suggest that Jacob didn't love Leah. Your claims are completely unsubstantiated and are the product of your personal bias against polygamy.

Again, all of the supposed wonderful examples of polygamous scenarios are all made up fantasies. I can show you endless examples of sickening horror stories,

Please do so.

and yes monogamy doesn't work perfectly because the people involved are not perfect, but the set up of monogamy is perfect. It is God's perfect design, so it is conducive to love and growth, and I can find lots of examples of really good monogamous relationships.

Monogamy doesn't work imperfectly just because the people involved are not perfect. The whips and scorns of outrageous fortune can also play a part. I pity the man who is forbidden from loving another woman because he has to be "faithful" to a wife who is in a coma. If my first wife was battling cancer, the moral support of a second wife would be invaluable. Polygamy can serve as a priceless safety net.

I can find no good examples of polygamy.

You need to look harder. There are countless good examples of polygamy.
 
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*LMAO* Chapter and verse to support this outrageous claim please?*LMAO* Chapter and verse to support this outrageous claim please?Really? just about every non-Christian/Jewish culture in the world would diasagree with you and suggest that there are a great many examples of quite happy polygamous households, either extant or in history.Abraham? Solomon? Are we only allowed to cite Christian examples?
Is the "A" in LMAO supposed to be the other word for a Donkey? :confused: If so, I don't think that's necessary in a reply to someone's post.

Using OT examples of polygamy still doesn't support it - anymore than using the OT to support the Torah laws of animal sacrifice prove we're under sacrificial laws right now.

As far as Solomon, I'm pretty sure that Solomon fell back into materialism & worldliness before he died...
 
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Been thinking about this today... you guys know that all that "sharing of the heart" Hallmark drivel isn't actually mentioned in the Bible anywhere? Biblical marriage mores are all about property protection and protecting bloodlines. I doubt the Bible authors would recognise half the stuff people come out with about sharing hearts and so on
Hmmmmmmmmm, are you sure about that??

Eph 5:
25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her,

26 so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word,
27 that He might present to Himself the church in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she would be holy and blameless.
28 So husbands ought also to love their own wives as their own bodies. He who loves his own wife loves himself;
29 for no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ also does the church,
30 because we are members of His body.
31 FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND SHALL BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH.
32This mystery is great; but I am speaking with reference to Christ and the church.
33 Nevertheless, each individual among you also is to love his own wife even as himself, and the wife must see to it that she respects her husband.

Colossians 3:19
Husbands, love your wives and do not be embittered against them.

I see God telling men to love their wives as much as their own bodies & as Christ loved the church & gave His life up for her....
 
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And I'll ask this again - are threesomes & orgies ok with God within polygamy? Group sex?

And would any men be adamant to have several wives if they couldn't have sex with the additional wives? If he could still only have sex with his original wife?

Basically, what BENEFIT is it to him to have more than one wife if he can't being having sex with the others? Any?
I'd love to know what's so great about it if there's no variety of sex involved in it for him.

Maybe somebody can level with us as to what the Big enticement is to it?? I think we all know what's at the very core & heart of this type of lifestyle.
 
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