Molinism

[Walter Kovacs]

Seems like most folks here don't quite understand Molinism. There's really no logical or even theological problems with it; it all boils down to whether or not God has to actively do EVERYTHING to be sovereign, which, IMO limits God quite a bit. God could do zilch and still be the top dog. Molinism IMO makes the most sense of quite a lot of theological issues presented in Scripture (not all, as there are some discrepancies) but it's a solid way of looking at things.

 

[nobdysfool]

2Ti 4:3-4 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, (4) and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.

 

[AndOne]

Seems like most folks here don't quite understand Molinism. There's really no logical or even theological problems with it;

Its not in scripture - I see that as a theological problem.

 

[DeaconDean]

WOW!

Who dug this back up?

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[Pinkman]

Nowhere does Dr. White say that God causes men to sin. You may retract your statement now.

I would like to disagree with you Hammster - slightly.

"...it is utterly inconsistent to transfer the preparation for destruction to anything but God's secret plan." "..God's secret plan is the cause of hardening."
J Calvin Book 2, Ch 23, Section 1

God ... arranges all things by his counsel, in such a way that individuals are born, who are doomed from the womb to certain death.
J Calvin Book 3, Ch 23, Section 6

This is how we know with total assurance that we are elected, predestined before the foundation of the world.

Men sin because God predestines all things. The big issue is that we can be totally sure of our salvation and that God uses this sin to demonstrate his own mercy and therefore glory.

Whether it is 'fair' or not is not for the clay to determine. Only the potter.

 

[nobdysfool]

Bottom line is, Molinism cannot be defended from Scripture, or it would have been after 585 posts. There was plenty of opportunity to do so, and plenty of requests made for Scriptural proof, all of which were deflected, ignored, and rabbit trails created to steer the conversation away from the blatantly obvious reality that Molinism cannot be proven from Scripture. Not only that, it was clearly established that the real point was yet another rant against Calvinism and Calvinists. That was what was really being pursued in this thread. It was an attempt to goad and bait Calvinists into posting reportable posts, a tactic for which the OP was repeatedly disciplined.

The OP failed to make his case, beyond any doubt. Molinism is an unscriptural doctrine that even the Roman Catholics have abandoned.

 

[DeaconDean]

Bottom line is, Molinism cannot be defended from Scripture, or it would have been after 585 posts. There was plenty of opportunity to do so, and plenty of requests made for Scriptural proof, all of which were deflected, ignored, and rabbit trails created to steer the conversation away from the blatantly obvious reality that Molinism cannot be proven from Scripture. Not only that, it was clearly established that the real point was yet another rant against Calvinism and Calvinists. That was what was really being pursued in this thread. It was an attempt to goad and bait Calvinists into posting reportable posts, a tactic for which the OP was repeatedly disciplined.

The OP failed to make his case, beyond any doubt. Molinism is an unscriptural doctrine that even the Roman Catholics have abandoned.

I agree with you.

My only point directing the member here is that there is a ton of information in this thread, other than the obvious rants by a certain member against Calvinsts, if they only take the time to read through this.

God Bless

Till all are one.