Mohammed and "Gabriel?"

Zico · Aug 6, 2002

Originally posted by Muslimah

When I can have pious Muslims as friends , why would I want a Jew or Christian?

 

Hey sis,, it's not cool to say something like that, it's not about friendship, i prefer to have souljah as a friend than to make friends with saddam or bin laden, they are supposed to be muslims, some people believe that bin laden is pious but again both men are the same, they do mischief in the land, and God clearly says that mischief is worst than killing, althoug i firmly believe that souljah's belief system is wrong, i don't have a problem living with him as long as he does not fight me in the name of his God.

Chris†opher Paul · Aug 6, 2002

Originally posted by Zico
Hey souljah,

it's not friends, AWLIA'A in arabic means allies. so you see God almighty was right after all, i know deep inside you prefer to have a Jew as an allie rather than a muslim. 

What the hell bro?  How can you say I prefer a Jew over a Muslim?  I prefer individuals.  I'm sure I would rather be your friend that be the friend of some Jew that hates you.

I had a good Muslim friend in college.  He would tell me about how the Trinity makes no sense, etc, but I was still his friend.

Chris†opher Paul · Aug 6, 2002

Originally posted by Zico

 

Hey sis,, it's not cool to say something like that, it's not about friendship, i prefer to have souljah as a friend than to make friends with saddam or bin laden, they are supposed to be muslims, some people believe that bin laden is pious but again both men are the same, they do mischief in the land, and God clearly says that mischief is worst than killing, althoug i firmly believe that souljah's belief system is wrong, i don't have a problem living with him as long as he does not fight me in the name of his God.

Our "Gods" are the same bro...Allah = Jehovah.  So, how am I going to "fight you in the name of my God?" 

Chris†opher Paul · Aug 6, 2002

When I can have pious Muslims as friends , why would I want a Jew or Christian?

Wonderful. May you get the friends that you deserve.

OldBadfish · Aug 6, 2002

Sorry sOuljah, it seems some would rather insult than debate.

There will be no insults here. Please

If there any more rule violations, I will start handing out warnings.

Brian45 · Aug 6, 2002

Originally posted by Zico

 

Hey sis,, it's not cool to say something like that, it's not about friendship, i prefer to have souljah as a friend than to make friends with saddam or bin laden, they are supposed to be muslims, some people believe that bin laden is pious but again both men are the same, they do mischief in the land, and God clearly says that mischief is worst than killing, althoug i firmly believe that souljah's belief system is wrong, i don't have a problem living with him as long as he does not fight me in the name of his God.

 

Hey zico ,  this is the most healthy and balanced view I have heard from a muslim yet .

I was working with a group of muslims during the gulf war crises , and most of them were pro Saddam ,  we asked them why they don't live over there  ?          they gave no answer  .

Brian45 · Aug 6, 2002

Originally posted by s0uljah

Our "Gods" are the same bro...Allah = Jehovah.  So, how am I going to "fight you in the name of my God?" 

Sorry souljah  ,   but I'm going to disagree ,  our Gods are not the same  .

Have you forgotten the crusades , led by Popes ?

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04543c.htm

Chris†opher Paul · Aug 6, 2002

Originally posted by Brian45

Sorry souljah  ,   but I'm going to disagree ,  our Gods are not the same  .

Have you forgotten the crusades , led by Popes ?

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04543c.htm

If you are going to use a Catholic source, you might want to look up in the Cathechism where it says that they are the same God.

I posted in here about this topic, and nobody could give me any evidence of this being wrong, except for some half-baked conspiracy sites claiming Allah is a moon-god.  You know, the type that claim the Pope is the Anti-Christ and that the Church is the "harlot of Bablyon"

 

Zico · Aug 6, 2002

Thanks guys,,

one thing has to be cleared here,, if you worship Allah/God/Jehovah or what ever you like to call the one who sent down Moses and Jesus*pbut* then we all follow the same light in a different way, but if you worship Jesus, then we surely have different gods.

Zico · Aug 6, 2002

oh.. cool souljah,, since you mentioned the Anti-Christ ( dajjal or false messaia as we call him), he is a man, and if any one of you guys is interested pm me. in the meantime,, here are some of his highlights since Muhammad*pbuh* described him in detail :

1. His right eye is blind, and the blind eye shall look like a bulging out grape ( Muhammad*pbuh* said : "l warn you against him (i.e. the Dajjal) and there was no prophet but warned his nation against him. No doubt, Noah warned his nation against him but I tell you about him something of which no prophet told his nation before me. You should know that he is one-eyed, and Allah is not one-eyed.")

2. He will have black and ugly looking curly hair

3. kafir ( non believer ) shall be written between his eyes so every true believer will be able to read it.

4. he will come with what resembles hell and paradise, his hell shall be God's paradise and his paradise shall be God's hell.

5. a believing man shall come to him and say : i testify that you are the dajjal we are tought about by the messenger of God, then the dajjal shall say to the people : if i kill this man and then bring him back to life, will you all doubt my claim, they say: no, so he kills him and then brings him back to life, then the man says: by Allah! now i know your reality better than before, then the dajjal shall have no power on this man ( and some say that this man shall be the last man he slays before being slayed by Jesus Christ*pbuh* )

6. God Almighty shall cause Jesus Christ to descend from heaven somewhere in the east ( may be Syria or Jordan or Jerusalem ) , and when the dajjal lay eyes on him he shall meltdown just like salt melts in water.

hope that was fun

LouisBooth · Aug 6, 2002

"but if you worship Jesus, then we surely have different gods."

There you have it. YOu do have a different god.

Brian45 · Aug 7, 2002

Originally posted by LouisBooth
"but if you worship Jesus, then we surely have different gods."

There you have it. YOu do have a different god.

Thank you louisBooth ,  I was going to say the same thing .

Unfortunatly , catholics will believe the pope before they will believe the testamony of a muslim .

May God save us all  .

Zico · Aug 7, 2002

This is exactly what i meant Louis, Thank you.

Chris†opher Paul · Aug 7, 2002

Originally posted by Brian45

Thank you louisBooth ,  I was going to say the same thing .

Unfortunatly , catholics will believe the pope before they will believe the testamony of a muslim .

May God save us all  .

  Just because Muslims don't realize that Jesus is God as well, you know, the whole Trinity concept, doesn't mean that their "Allah" doesn't equal "Jehovah".

Why is this so hard to understand?

Zico · Aug 7, 2002

Well souljah bro,,,

we don't have to believe in this "...we worship one God in the trinity, and Trinity in Unity...for there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son, another of the Holy Ghost is all one... they are not three gods, but one God... the whole three persons are co-eternal and co-equal...he therefore that will be saved must thus think of the trinity..." (excerpts from the Athanasian creed).

since God Almighty was one from the begining of time, believing in such mysterios concept would mean blind faith without true knwledge. I believe that i will be saved only if i prove to be a good Muslim/Christian/Jew with firm belief and good deeds that support this firm belief in God, i can't believe in your concept of salvation, since it is only a short cut, and God does not work things like that as you can see in this lifetime.

Chris†opher Paul · Aug 7, 2002

Originally posted by Zico
Well souljah bro,,,

we don't have to believe in this "...we worship one God in the trinity, and Trinity in Unity...for there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son, another of the Holy Ghost is all one... they are not three gods, but one God... the whole three persons are co-eternal and co-equal...he therefore that will be saved must thus think of the trinity..." (excerpts from the Athanasian creed).

since God Almighty was one from the begining of time, believing in such mysterios concept would mean blind faith without true knwledge. I believe that i will be saved only if i prove to be a good Muslim/Christian/Jew with firm belief and good deeds that support this firm belief in God, i can't believe in your concept of salvation, since it is only a short cut, and God does not work things like that as you can see in this lifetime.

Short cut?  Who said aything about a short cut.  That quote above it talking about something necessary, but not sufficient.  You understand that concept right?  Nobody (except some wacked Christians) is saying that you only need faith to get saved.

Zico · Aug 7, 2002

So what you think about this totaly sane and religios Christian man who accepts Christ as his savior but he then kills a man and does not repent after that,, Where will he go according to your concept?

bouncer · Aug 7, 2002

Originally posted by Zico

So what you think about this totaly sane and religios Christian man who accepts Christ as his savior but he then kills a man and does not repent after that,, Where will he go according to your concept?

If this man is totally unrepentent, he is in danger of eternal damnation.

By the way, what is the muslim concept of salvation?

Chris†opher Paul · Aug 7, 2002

Originally posted by Zico
So what you think about this totaly sane and religios Christian man who accepts Christ as his savior but he then kills a man and does not repent after that,, Where will he go according to your concept?

Hell, assuming the killing was not justified. 

LouisBooth · Aug 7, 2002

*wonders if souljah thinks he knows more about Islam then a muslim*

Isn't this case closed already?

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