modestynik

[stan1980]

So what you're saying is that people should be more open minded and listen and respect the ideas of others before condemning them (or without condemning them at all). I'm glad you agree with me.

Hehe, something tells me this thread is NOT going to plan.

 

[Caitlin.ann]

Hehe, something tells me this thread is NOT going to plan.

Rofl! I think you're right, Stan.

 

[KarateCowboy]

An excellent post that deserves repeating. The Yahoos will not understand or care, only try to throw you on the ground and steal your coat(or your pretty stones)

"I am beginning to understand,"said the little prince."There is a flower. . .I think she has tamed me. . ."

"It is possible," said the fox."On earth one sees all sorts of things."

"Oh but this is not on the earth!"said the little prince.

The fox seemed perplexed, and very curious."On another planet?"

"Yes"

"Are there hunters on that planet?"

"No"

"Ah that's interesting! Are there chickens?"

"No"

"Nothing is perfect," sighed the fox.But he came back to his idea."My life is very monotonous," he said."I hunt chickens; men hunt me.All chickens are just alike,and all the men are just alike.And in consequence, I am a little bored.But if you tame me,it will be as if the sun came to shine on my life.I shall know the sound of a step that will bedifferent from all the others.Other steps send me hurrying backunderneath the ground.Yours will call me, like music out of my burrow.And then look:you see the grain-fields down yonder?I do not eat bread.Wheat is of no use to me.The wheat fields have nothing to say to me.And that is sad.But you have hair that is the color of gold.Think how wonderful that will bewhen you have tamed me!The grain, which is also golden,will bring me back the thought of you.And I shall love to listento the wind in the wheat. . .

"The fox gazed at the little prince,for a long time."Please---tame me!" he said.

"I want to, very much," the little prince replied."But I have not much time.I have friends to discover,and a great many things to understand."

"One only understands the things that one tames,"said the fox." Men have no more time to understand anything.They buy things all ready made at the shops.But there is no shop anywherewhere one can buy friendship,and so men have no friends any more.If you want a friend, tame me. . ."

"What must I do, to tame you?asked the little prince.

"You must be very patient," replied the fox.First you will sit downat a little distance from me-like that-in the grass.I shall look at you out of the corner of my eye,and you will say nothing.Words are the source of misunderstandings.But you will sit a little closer to me,every day...

"The next day the little prince came back.

"It would have been better to come backat the same hour," said the fox."If for example, you came at four o'clockin the afternoon,then at three o'clock I shall begin to be happy.I shall feel happier and happieras the hour advances.At four o'clock,I shall be worrying and jumping about.I shall show you how happy I am!But if you come at just any time,I shall never know at what hourmy heart is ready to greet you. . .One must observe the proper rites. . ."

"What is a rite?" asked the little prince.

"Those also are actions too often neglected,"said the fox."they are what make one daydifferent from other days,one hour different from other hours.There is a rite, for example, among my hunters.Every Thursday they danse with the village girls.So Thursday is a wonderful day for me!I can take a walk as far as the vineyards.But if the hunters danced at just any time,every day would be likeevery other day,and I should never have any vacation at all."

So the little prince tamed the fox...

And when the hour of his departure drew near..

---"Ah," said the fox, "I shall cry."

"It is your own fault," said the little prince."I never wished you any sort of harm;but you wanted me to tame you. . ."

"Yes that is so", said the fox.

"But now you are going to cry!"said the little prince.

"Yes that is so" said the fox.

"Then it has done you no good at all!"

"It has done me good," said the fox,"because of the color of the wheat fields."

And then he added:
"go and look again at the roses.
You will understand nowthat yours is unique in all the world.

Then come back to say goodbye to me,and I will make you a present of a secret.

"The little prince went away,to look again at the roses."You are not at all like my rose," he said."As yet you are nothing.No one has tamed you, and you have tamed no one.You are like my fox when I first knew him.He was only a foxlike a hundred thousand other foxes.But I have made a friend,and now he is unique in all the world."

And the roses were very much embarrassed.

"You are beautiful, but you are empty," he went on."One could not die for you.To be sure, an ordinary passerby would thinkthat my rose looked just like you--the rose that belongs to me.But in herself alone she is more importantthan all the hundreds of you other roses: because it is she that I have watered;because it is shethat I have put under the glass globe;because it is for herthat I have killed the caterpillars(except the two or three we savedto become butterflies);because it is she that I have listened to, when she grumbled,or boasted,or even sometimes when she said nothing.Because she is MY rose."

And he went back to meet the fox.
"Goodbye" he said.

"Goodbye," said the fox.

"And now here is my secret, a very simple secret:

It is only with the heart that one can see rightly;what is essential is invisible to the eye."

"What is essential is invisible to the eye,"the little prince repeated,so that he would be sure to remember.

"It is the time you have wasted for your rosethat makes your rose so important.

"It is the time I have wasted for my rose--"said the little princeso he would be sure to remember.

"Men have forgotten this truth," said the fox."But you must not forget it.You become responsible, forever,for what you have tamed.You are responsible for your rose. . ."

"I am responsible for my rose,"the little prince repeated,so that he would be sure to remember.


"link"
from the Little Prince

 

[Caitlin.ann]

What's a "yahoo" and I have enough coats as is, thank you!

 

[KarateCowboy]

What's a "yahoo" and I have enough coats as is, thank you!

Read Gulliver's Travels

 

[Caitlin.ann]

Pass..if you're not willing to give me a straight answer then I'm unwilling to do the research.

 

[Verv]

I like the idea and I even do see the rationale amongst secular Jews to partake in this; it is a path that becomes far more emotionally rewarding to put off all of the sexual behavior and contact until after marriage. Naturally, if you put more emphasis into something in your life and have discipline it becomes a better joy.

If your dream is to visit China yet you insist you will not visit it until you have read the histories and learned Chinese, certainly the experience is better as in you will not have sex until you have been married and fallen in total love, even abstaining from all contact.

Yet, in secularism the only purpose in the end is also a sort of bizarre heightened experience involved as well as living up to the standards of an honorable path as sources of pleasure.

If you do it also for God, the path that you walk is more clear and more fulfilling and God is flowing through you in these moments, the Holy Spirit is alive inside of you. That is the one way I disagree with this concept that is very honorable.

 

[LoveAlways]

You can be modest and touch people, even a boyfriend. You can be modest and wear pants, skirts that don't hang to the floor, short-sleeves. Like you, I don't like being touched by many people, and, no, it's not unnatural, but there's nothing wrong with a pat on the shoulder, a hug, holding hands. I mean, really. Talk about legalism to the extreme.

Judaism has modesty laws because it's a religion and culture of laws. But Christianity teaches us that nothing we were or don't wear can make us pure, but only what's in our heart.

 

[Verv]

You can be modest and touch people, even a boyfriend. You can be modest and wear pants, skirts that don't hang to the floor, short-sleeves. Like you, I don't like being touched by many people, and, no, it's not unnatural, but there's nothing wrong with a pat on the shoulder, a hug, holding hands. I mean, really. Talk about legalism to the extreme.

Judaism has modesty laws because it's a religion and culture of laws. But Christianity teaches us that nothing we were or don't wear can make us pure, but only what's in our heart.

That is true, and it is taking a legalist approach, but it can be very fulfilling to many people to take it to that length. If one can live that way it is commendable though we are not required to do it.

We should always do our best.

Christ and Paul even spoke of how it is in a sense preferable to be celibate for one's eternal life; though it may not end up being for me, if it is for someone I admire that on higher levels than I admire my own commitments. Though it is not necessary it is impressive.

 

[KarateCowboy]

I like the idea and I even do see the rationale amongst secular Jews to partake in this; it is a path that becomes far more emotionally rewarding to put off all of the sexual behavior and contact until after marriage. Naturally, if you put more emphasis into something in your life and have discipline it becomes a better joy.

If your dream is to visit China yet you insist you will not visit it until you have read the histories and learned Chinese, certainly the experience is better as in you will not have sex until you have been married and fallen in total love, even abstaining from all contact.

Yet, in secularism the only purpose in the end is also a sort of bizarre heightened experience involved as well as living up to the standards of an honorable path as sources of pleasure.

If you do it also for God, the path that you walk is more clear and more fulfilling and God is flowing through you in these moments, the Holy Spirit is alive inside of you. That is the one way I disagree with this concept that is very honorable.

I always enjoy reading your posts. I think we should get back to the days where people practiced delayed gratification. Everyone upon reading that will be like "Huh, delayed gradiation? What's that?"

 

[Robbie_James_Francis]

I always enjoy reading your posts. I think we should get back to the days where people practiced delayed gratification. Everyone upon reading that will be like "Huh, delayed gradiation? What's that?"

Do you honestly believe there was a time when significantly more people opted for deferred gratification over instant gratification than now?

Personally, I think that's incredibly naive, as are most arguments based on the 'good old days' myth.

Though I agree that deferred gratification is often a great thing, I strongly disagree with the idea that seeking instant gratification is inherently wrong or that it's necessarily beneficial to take it to the extremes mentioned in the OP.

And yes, it is extremely unnatural to behave in such a repressed way.

 

[JadeTigress]

"link"
from the Little Prince

Thank you for posting that. I love Le Petit Prince. It's a favorite of mine.