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Athene

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But you wouldn't wear a swimsuit to pick up the kids at school, right? You would wear clothing that is appropriate to the occasion.

inappropriate doesn't necessarily mean immodest. I've seen people drop their kids off at school still wearing their pyjamas. IMV that's inappropriate and wrong and lazy.
 
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Also, I'm confused. So modesty isn't about women dressing in a certain way so that men won't stumble by lusting after them? Is that right?
Not entirely no. But that's part of it.

If so, then what is the point in modesty? Why is it pleasing to God that I be modest? Adam and Eve walked around naked, but after the fall it was they who felt their nakedness was displeasing. God clothed them for their sake, not for his.

Like I said before, it's as much for you as it is for the men around you because the attention that being immodest is not good and the type of person that being immodest attracts is likely not good for you either.
 
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To me, the basic idea of modesty is simple - it's covering our sexual parts so as not to needlessly arouse sexual desire. The rest of the responsibility is then on the other party.
I'm not sure that just covering genitalia is an adequate definition though. I can think of several things that either gender could be wearing that fit that criteria that are definitely not modest.
 
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But its a start to modesty, it eliminates nude beaches for me! lol. I also dont wear a bikini when I'm out because it just makes me feel immodest. Or when I got out to dinner, I try not to show much cleavage because I want to look nice when I go out with my husband but I dont want other men to see my boobs, they belong to my husband not the other guys.
 
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inappropriate doesn't necessarily mean immodest. I've seen people drop their kids off at school still wearing their pyjamas. IMV that's inappropriate and wrong and lazy.
I didn't connect the two - I just didn't see how a swimsuit came into it, because that would be worn under different circumstances, and not to go to work, or pick up kids.

Because we have a Six Flags and a Seaworld, when I have ventured into Wal Mart (which I don't very often), I have seen teenage girls wearing bikinis with a thigh length t-shirt over the top. But then you have boys wearing pants or shorts that must be incredibly uncomfortable, fastening as they do somewhere around the top of their thighs so that we can see their underwear and/or butt crack. Not much of a turn on for me, but maybe it would cause some women to stumble. So, yeah, put some clothes on in public, please.
 
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To me, the basic idea of modesty is simple - it's covering our sexual parts so as not to needlessly arouse sexual desire. The rest of the responsibility is then on the other party.

That can also contribute to sexual arousal by highlighting those areas. Societies that don't bother with clothing aren't in a state of continual sexual ferment.

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That can also contribute to sexual arousal by highlighting those areas. Societies that don't bother with clothing aren't in a state of continual sexual ferment.

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But those societies don't have western media which constantly sexualizes women, and actually - sexualises everything that possibly can be sexualized. It's a western obsession: who is doing what to who when, with what, and how. Yuck.

So, you cannot compare a person brought up in an isolated place (wherever these societies are that are isolated) with a person brought up in our society. It's chalk and cheese.

For instance, I betcha they haven't been going to the grocery store, standing at the checkout and seen 30 or so magazines, the vast majority of which show a woman, with cleavage, or otherwise undressed, giving some kind of "come hither" look, since the day they were born. Big difference.
 
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That's a very good point Johnnz! Thanks for reminding me about that. I agree highlighting it is just as good. Kinda like this one miniskirt I found in a store, it said "bum flap". Yep they considered it a cover, but it drew attention to that area.
 
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swimming suits are tight, even the ones that cover from neck to foot :D
I am very careful about my swimsuits. Actually, my swimsuit is loos fitting as far as swimsuits go, due to my own need for looseness. But any swimsuits would be highly immodest, not just inapropriate somewhere else. The reason is that the functional nature of a swimsuit is no longer functional somewhere else, and it's purpose at that point would be to look look and show off some skin, you know?
 
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But then you have boys wearing pants or shorts that must be incredibly uncomfortable, fastening as they do somewhere around the top of their thighs so that we can see their underwear and/or butt crack. Not much of a turn on for me, but maybe it would cause some women to stumble. So, yeah, put some clothes on in public, please.

If we could adequately spread the word on how this "fashion statement" got it's start, we could eliminate it overnight. It started in prison as a way for inmates to advertise that they were "available".
 
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That can also contribute to sexual arousal by highlighting those areas. Societies that don't bother with clothing aren't in a state of continual sexual ferment.

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take breasts for example, and janet jacksons nipple. In countries where women routinely go around topless, the breast isn't seen as sexual. In countries where breasts are routinely covered, breasts become sexual, the flash of a nipple by a famous person makes national news and women who breastfeed in public have to put up with silly comments along the lines of ''why are they allowed to flash their boobs in public?''.
 
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take breasts for example, and janet jacksons nipple. In countries where women routinely go around topless, the breast isn't seen as sexual. In countries where breasts are routinely covered, breasts become sexual, the flash of a nipple by a famous person makes national news and women who breastfeed in public have to put up with silly comments along the lines of ''why are they allowed to flash their boobs in public?''.
But that is our society!!
 
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I dont 'flash my boobs' in public because I am aware of the culture I live in, it IS sexual in our culture so I will be modest accordingly. I do believe however that the breasts and genitals ARE meant to be private and for our intimate families. This is why I try to cover up even when I am nursing, BFing is private, not something I feel I need to let the world see.
 
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But those societies don't have western media which constantly sexualizes women, and actually - sexualises everything that possibly can be sexualized. It's a western obsession: who is doing what to who when, with what, and how. Yuck.

So, you cannot compare a person brought up in an isolated place (wherever these societies are that are isolated) with a person brought up in our society. It's chalk and cheese.

For instance, I betcha they haven't been going to the grocery store, standing at the checkout and seen 30 or so magazines, the vast majority of which show a woman, with cleavage, or otherwise undressed, giving some kind of "come hither" look, since the day they were born. Big difference.

that's another good point, that women's bodies are sexualised to the nth degree.
 
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I dont 'flash my boobs' in public because I am aware of the culture I live in, it IS sexual in our culture so I will be modest accordingly. I do believe however that the breasts and genitals ARE meant to be private and for our intimate families. This is why I try to cover up even when I am nursing, BFing is private, not something I feel I need to let the world see.

I'm not the infamous woman who sat down in the middle of a store and whipped her boob out for all the world to see and then fed her baby, but I don't/won't go to the extremes that some do in order to cover up. It's obvious what I'm doing but you'd have to be invading my personal space to see any skin.

I feel that breastfeeding is something that needs to be seen more.
 
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I wish it was more accepted, especially in public places. No one should be given heck for feeding their child (as has been the issue in the past), but I still find it a private 'act' between mother and child, so why does anyone need to see it? (unless of course it's to help a young mother or receive help if there are troubles). I dont want anyone to see me breastfeed but if they happen to notice, oh well it happens, I'm sure people know what I'm doing, but I still try to be modest about it if at all possible.
 
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