Modern day systemic racism, does it exist?

RDKirk · Nov 27, 2021

rjs330 said:
Of course it does. Because blacks as a whole work jobs that pay less. AND they undoubtedly are more represented under the poverty line.

So even when they do work, they are working the types of jobs that pay less instead of pursuing careers that pay more.

The median income has to do with all income. 50% of blacks earn middle income wages or higher. About 20% live below the poverty line. That's bad. The opportunities are there, but they are not taking them. And it is the democratic party that is working so hard to convince them they can't cause America is so racist the odds are so against them and they need the Democratic Party to give them stuff otherwise it's hopeless.

I suspect the "wage gap" between blacks and whites is similar in reasons as the wage gap between men and women, at least among the college educated. Blacks--men and women--are most likely to enter the same fields as white women.

Why is that? Jordan Peterson has some thoughts about why women do it, but I don't know why black men do it. Heck, I don't know why I did it, except that at the time I was graduated from high school, the social impetus was to enter a "socially relevant" field.

But as I say frequently, "There is always more than one thing happening." The relief from Jim Crow began about the same time America's global economic supremacy ended. Wave after wave of economic reversals began affecting Americans across the board just as black people finally gained the ability to move forward.

rjs330 · Nov 27, 2021

rturner76 said:
You don't seem to really understand what systemic racism is.

It seems you don't. If blacks are getting home loans then it's not systemic. The fact that some don't because they are a bad risk, doesn't mean it a systemic problem. Systemic racism would mean even the blacks that are not high risk and are making enough money and have good credit would not get a loan just cause they are black.

rjs330 · Nov 27, 2021

rturner76 said:
If it doesn't seem like that you should talk to some people who were denied housing for no reason. I've been a landlord and I have spoken to other landlords who used to try and tell me the races that make the best tenants. One guy really broke it down for me. "I usually try to rent to Mexicans, they are scared of the law so they are really quiet tenants. I don't rent to Indian or Pakastani people because their cooking smells up the building and so on. It happens EVERYWHERE. You must have forgotten this USA was founded on racist values. A lot of people have not let it go.

Oh good grief! America was not founded on racist values. Here we go again!

RDKirk · Nov 27, 2021

rjs330 said:
I agree to a point. I think working harder helps in a specific career. It can make a difference all things being equal. BUT you have to choose the right career. No matter how hard you work, a janitor is not going to make as much as a plumber. One plumber however may make more than another cause they work harder.

One hard point Peterson makes is that people are not equal in capability. Both the left and the right totally ignore this factor: Nothing can make all people's productivity equal because people are not equal in capability. This issue will become more acute as automation takes over jobs that require less capability, and nobody has a ready answer for that.

RDKirk · Nov 27, 2021

rjs330 said:
It seems you don't. If blacks are getting home loans then it's not systemic. The fact that some don't because they are a bad risk, doesn't mean it a systemic problem. Systemic racism would mean even the blacks that are not high risk and are making enough money and have good credit would not get a loan just cause they are black.

It means the problem is somewhere else in the society. It's not the bank's today fault if a certain neighborhood has declining home values, certainly not in the same ways banks could manipulate neighborhood home values by actions such as blockbusting. There's more than one thing happening.

rturner76 · Nov 27, 2021

rjs330 said:
Poppy [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]. Blacks are not herded into certain areas. It's not like they are taken out of nicer neighborhoods and forced to move into the poor neighborhoods.

There was undoubtedly in times gone by situations where wealth left those areas.

But anymore? No. And blacks can leave. They don't have to stay.

Now I do agree with the funding issues. But you know who is primarily in charge of that stuff? DEMOCRATS!

We as a society can definitely do better and in some places the republicans tried with school vouchers etc, but they just got shot down again by democrats.

It IS time to fix the school funding problems. However, that being said, many of those inner city schools are a mess not because of money issues, but behavioral issues. From kids not going to school, missing school, not taking school seriously and misbehaving when they are there. That is NOT a racial issue.

Thank you for your input

rturner76 · Nov 27, 2021

rjs330 said:
It seems you don't. If blacks are getting home loans then it's not systemic. The fact that some don't because they are a bad risk, doesn't mean it a systemic problem. Systemic racism would mean even the blacks that are not high risk and are making enough money and have good credit would not get a loan just cause they are black.

THank you for your input. Try reading more about systemic racism if you don't know what it is

RDKirk · Nov 27, 2021

rturner76 said:
THank you for your input. Try reading more about systemic racism if you don't know what it is

If you can't be bothered to explain it adequately in a forum like this, don't expect anyone to be convinced in the voting booth. This is what Bill Mahar means by being a "snob"--and losing elections because of it.

rturner76 · Nov 27, 2021

rjs330 said:
Oh good grief! America was not founded on racist values. Here we go again!

Thank you for your inout. I suggest you read about American history. Blacks in the south were most often slaves and the government provided them with the laws they needed to perpetuate the system for a few hundred years. Google has a ton of resources you can try.

rturner76 · Nov 27, 2021

RDKirk said:
If you can't be bothered to explain it adequately in a forum like this, don't expect anyone to be convinced in the voting booth. This is what Bill Mahar means by being a "snob"--and losing elections because of it.

I've explained it too many times. Whoever doesn't know either doesn't care or isn't listening.

Astrid · Nov 27, 2021

Not I hope to reduce it to semantic games but
personal distaste, maybe acted out, is not necessarily
racism- not remotely.
Seems in the US any negative comment or
just an observation is RACISM. Stereotyping is
Racism.
We all tend to stereotype, and its not all somehow wrong.

If I see a woman from Philippines in Hong Kong my
auto- thought is, "domestic helper".
Low status, doesnt speak Chinese, out on an errand for her e ployer.
99.99 percent i will be correct.

In Paris, I went to the Louis V store on the Champs E,
and there were all these " mainlanders". Women from
China, really loud and pushy, grabbing things for
buyers back home. It was embarrassing. Of course
the store owners know the kind, know what to expect.
Mainlanders have kind of taken over from the bad mannered American tourist.
I already knew what to expect, they dont behave well
in HK either.

Im not being "racist" toward Chinese! Or the Filipinas.

I hope Americans can get over this obsession they have.

Astrid · Nov 27, 2021

rturner76 said:
I've explained it too many times. Whoever doesn't know either doesn't care or isn't listening.

Or maybe your analysis isnt perfect

RDKirk · Nov 27, 2021

rturner76 said:
I've explained it too many times. Whoever doesn't know either doesn't care or isn't listening.

Actually, you haven't. You just keep saying the same thing over and over.

rturner76 · Nov 27, 2021

Estrid said:
Or maybe your analysis isnt perfect

It probably isn't "perfect" but I at least know how it functions

Astrid · Nov 27, 2021

rjs330 said:
Oh good grief! America was not founded on racist values. Here we go again!

I wonder what is a " racial value"

rturner76 · Nov 27, 2021

RDKirk said:
Actually, you haven't. You just keep saying the same thing over and over.

So why don't you get it from a book or an academic journal? You don't seem to believe anything I say

Astrid · Nov 27, 2021

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rturner76 · Nov 27, 2021

Estrid said:
I wonder what is a " racial value"

When you you are of the mind that you are superior because of your race OR you think other races are inferior.

I didn't say racial but RACIST. Google it if I am not being clear,

Astrid · Nov 27, 2021

rturner76 said:
It probably isn't "perfect" but I at least know how it functions

it might not hurt if you backed off from having to be
" right ".
Not liking a bad smell isnt racist. The landlord who
had to clean the oil off the walls after my friends'
year of the wok would be quite justified being leery of
renting to Chinese again.
Call it racist if you must but that dors not mean it
is or that you are right.
You know?
Think about it.
None of us ate through learning.

Astrid · Nov 27, 2021

rturner76 said:
When you you are of the mind that you are superior because of your race OR you think other races are inferior.

I didn't say racial but RACIST. Google it if I am not being clear,

A value cannot be "when ". Racial / racist who cares.
I found no definition or indication that " racist values" is a real term.
If its a thing, provide a link, yah?

Not liking a smell or behaviour isnt about being
" superior".

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