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modern day interpretation of EGW

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How do you view watching TV? Is viewing a good movie on TV somehow OK, and watching a good movie in a theater bad?

I never said I don't watched movies or TV.. do I think there is very little worth viewing, I think we can all agree on that. My wife and I see maybe one movie in the theaters a year. This year was 'We Bought a Zoo' last year it was 'Courageous'

As far as TV, I like documentaries and inspirational true story type stuff.

TV is a vice that I know I have to give up... even though I could justify the amount and content I watch, in the end it doesn't pass the muster of my basic premise... does it glorify God?
 
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You are right, we can agree on this! I have to admit I watch too much sports on TV. Pretty much nothing else though, except some documentaries about history, and by far most of those are pretty much worthless drivel.

Don't let EGW faithfull hear you say you went to the theater, though.
 
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Not worried, I don't answer to them...

Good to hear! We have to answer to the one true God, not anyone else.


Do you read novels, or think this is OK? I like some historical novels such as Pilgrims Progress and such myself (and that was required reading at a class I took at the SDA Union College when I attended long, long ago). I'm a little disturbed by what Mrs. White says about novels.

Usually, I must admit, I read more American and world history books than anything else. I'm sure I should seek out and read more books about our faith.
 
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I think the danger EGW seen in novels is the same escapism we see today with video gaming, internet and TV. While there are, I'm sure, good fictional novels, the general lot are nothing but immoral fantasy to occupy the mnd away from real life and the work God would have us do.
 
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Well, I would argue that there is no right or wrong in this scenario.

First of all, all situations are different, there are people who spend their whole free time videogaming, not wanting to go outside and stuff, and for those videogaming (just as an example, it could be Tv or anything) might be bad. I have even heard about parents neglecting their children because of video game (just to polarize things).

But in the end its like everything else, drinking alcohol occasionaly is OK, same goes with Tv or videogames, or books, as long as it doesnt interfere with more important things in your life like relationships, jobs, studies and stuff.

We all need to take our time off, some people can afford to play golf, tennis, others play video games or watch Tv, I dont see a problem with it.

In the end I would just ask the following question:

Do you play videogames because you are lonely, or are you lonely because you play videogames?
 
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That's cool. For the most part I don't use the "times are different now argument" unless I really believe that a change in time allows for a different perspective on something she said, so long as we don't lose sight of the principle. For instance, I remember reading something she said in regards to photos in a person's home. It came to my attention that her grievance with the pictures wasn't that the pictures were bad, but that at the time, the cost for such a thing was astronomical, and yet people would spend money on furnishing their homes with family photos, but wouldn't give to the ministry.

Today, I wouldn't say you can't have a family picture in your house, but I would say that if you spend on yourself, you ought to give to the ministry as well.
 
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Well put.
 
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I have no problem with reading authors such as E.G. White or C.S. Lewis for their inspirational message, taking into account they are human, fallible people whose writings should be understood in the context of their times. The trouble is in my mind is that officially the SDA denomination exalts Mrs. White's writings to a higher level than this.
 
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Yeah, ministry above everything, I am just wondering what has ridden her to set up an estate for herself and not just live in a humble apartment...
 
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Now, If you have a look at SDAizm you will find out that it is basically designed to have the people saving money whereever possible and thus being able to support the 'ministry'...

Examples:

tobacco and drink - forbidden, of course tobacco goes without speaking but when you think about alcohol, abstaining from it will save you not only some money but will keep you away from places where more money could be spent...

theater and stuff - yeap, more money saved...

no meat - yes, again meat is comparably expensive more money saved..

holidays - yes, she said its better to support the ministry than going on holidays...

entertainment in general was never meant for an SDA - more money saved...

tithes - not for the poor - more money for the church - not for church maintenance - more money needed from the believers...

money money money - makes everything go round


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personally I never had a problem with supporting church, until I saw that there was never enough money...
 
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Umm, good stewardship is what it's called. And why should anyone spend more money on things of a temporal nature, than things of a spiritual one? You say it like helping the ministry was a bad thing. And don't forget, many of the things you talked about were developed over years of study and prayer.
 
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Its never a bad thing to help the ministry but I must admit that the SDA is a little bit insolent when it comes to asking people for their money. |There never seems to be enough, and when you think about it, and compare it with the good book it goes like this:

Old testament - tithes - some of which were shared with the poor on food and strong drink

sda - tithes - no sharing whatsoever, the whole amount doesnt even go your local church (as would be most biblical) but is gathered at a national level, like in a government

New testament - no tithes - money is shared with the poor and given to everyone according to their needs

sda - money is never shared with the poor, (never seen it)

The spirit of the new testament was different in that regard, even of the old testament. Its like SDAs have no love for the poor...
 
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That is sad that you view the counsel to avoid harmful things as being about greed...

As far as tithes go... if you weren't happy with the conferences use of God's tithe, then why didn't you find a ministry to support on your own. My wife and I send our tithes to a ministry in Zambia... it is amazing what our 10% can do in a third world country if directly applied with God's blessing.
 
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Consider this quote...


 
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I didnt know it was possible to send your 10% to anywhere you want.

I never thought it was a counsel, but rather being commanded by doctrine, and that is a huge difference...

personally I am not against saving money at all, I just find that there are so many counsels on what to do that you end up thinking there is no better way than to spend your money on the church.

It was the first thing that came to mind when I read that photography thing, I never heard of it before, and then when I read that EGW counselled against it was because it was expensive... well, I dont know about that but I guess new technology is always expensive but its a nice thing to have a picture of the family taken, and then she comes up saying its a bad thing... the money should be spend on the church. Sounds greedy to me...

I get your quote lateron, the question is always how much can I spare?

What should be my goal in life?

Am I gonna support the church with all I have, or am I gonna put my family first.

Basically I think she went to far with all those money counsels, people should either give because they feel like this out of their heart or not...

Most of her writings are pretty manipulative. I mean if you already believe that she is a prophet your also likely to accept having a photograph is not acceptable.
 
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I think you are reading her writing not in context.... she also counselled not to buy a bicycle as well but, as with the photography, it was a major expense back in the day. Today, compared with buying a car, what is buying a bicycle? It actually promotes health...

Tithing is a subject that people either understannd the principle or they don't and that dictates there response to it. I'm sure sister White was 'counselling' or reproving the requirement of tithe because not many were faithfully doing it, which we should. Kind of the same reason why SDA seem to be focused on the Sabbath... we're not, at least not amongst ourselves, but we feel it's important for others to understand so we tend to overstate it with non SDA.

The tithe is not because God needs our money, He is more than capable of getting done what He needs to without the earthly means of currency. We pay tithe as a tribute, or a way of saying, 'all we have and are given is from you, here is 1/10th in return as thanx for this blessing'. Then, He in turn directs the receivers of the tithe on how to best use it for His glorification.

Here is an imporatant point to make, we are not tbe concerned with what is doen with the tithe after we freely and cheerfully give it. If the conference or any other ministry is not using it appropriately, that is for them to answer for, you have done what is required of you.

When my wife and I first came back to God 7 years ago, I was the first to be convicted of our duty of tithing. Needless to say, my wife was not eager to part with 10% of our income as we seemingly weren't able to keep our heads above water as it was. Finally she gave in and we started to tithe... within a couple of months, my wife commented to me that for the first time in a long time, we had money left over at the end of the month, that she would unexpectedly receive monies she wasn't expecting and other such blessings. That is what God meant when He said to prove Him... we did and He was faithful in blessing us abundantly. We have continued to notice this in other areas of faith... we give decisions into His hands that before we would have tried to manipulate or work to our advantage. We have been better served and had better outcomes by letting God handle the details to work out in His time and in His will.

Trusting in God and giving our lives to Him is much more than a mental or spiritual exercise... we are to trust Him with all aspects of our lives.
Why don't you 'prove Him' to see if He is faithful in His promises? I know you'll be pleased with the results...
 
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I dont wanna argue with you, I see there was a blessing, but didnt you post that you had to sell some property in order to get debtfree...???
 
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I dont wanna argue with you, I see there was a blessing, but didnt you post that you had to sell some property in order to get debtfree...???

Yes.. is that a bad thing??
 
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Fun, fun, fun, fun, fun---it's what makes the world go round anymore, not love. The whole world is hell bent on having fun--and to them fun is drinking, and spending money., They have no respect for money., You take these young stars, they can not have enough fun--drugs, booze, lavish homes, lavish jewelery, pampering of your body--it occupies their every waking moment, the rest of the time, they work, and they want to be sure they fun fun while they work. The world is in constant search for another "high." Even if you're watching tv or reading a book--it has got to grip your mind and absoloutely engulf you in adrenalin and endorphins or it is no good. We are addicted to adrenalin and enordphins!! Feel good--Yes--SDA's are against all that. You make it sound like that is a bad thing. You can not know what joy in life means until you are removed from all of that fake "stuff" and it's just you and God. We go into shock--Now, what do I do?--We do not have to spend 14 hrs a day eeking out a living, making our own food, our own clothes, taking care of livestock from which we will get more to live on. We just go to the store and are confronted with "{which of the 40 products for each need do I choose?"__There is a wall of shampoos, creme rinse, conditioners, shine producers, --you can't even figure out which mouth rinse to use! All we have to do is flip a switch and we have lights and energy to cook with--we do not have to go out in the back 40 and gather and chop wood and rendar tallow and get wax for candles and oil burning lanterns. Whatever time used to be spend on just gathering to survive, we now have to spend on doing what?????---OH, YAH--FUN. That 10% that goes to the church is so much better spent on fancy iphones, gourmet food (And the pans to cook them in), no end of supplements (guilty)--because our food is nutrition poor, but flavor full. Even our water has to be flavored, sweetened, aromatic, but still without calories. Instead of spending our time with God--as Enoch did--we must have our brains bombarded with music, blood and gore, adultry, violence and sex. That is getting old so now we must have it in HD and 3D and Stereo and pretty soon--we'll be able to smell it and taste it---It is not good to have 2 seconds of time without noise--we might hear the voice of God, then what will we do??
 
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