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What we count as blessings may have more to do with where we were born, when we were born, and to whom we were born.true, I don't have the answers, but I like to explore the issues.... my point remains though, there are things that people say about God which are not true given what we see around us..... for those who are experiencing suffering, it would be callous to suggest that they have not prayed for relief only to find none... Did God not hear their cries? See their tears? Watch as their lives have been damaged sometimes to the point that normality is only a dream?
That's good. Cheers.Separation face to face ensued as part of the act of creation itself. To make man, God had to separate, and make something alive and sentient what bes Not-God.
Separation back to back ensued after they ate the fruit and tasted the flavor of their own unbelief. Immediately they no longer trusted Him, and hid.
... Action against Divine Will simply cannot exist, period. Action against Divine Ideal? Of course. That would be .......... Incompleteness.
true, I don't have the answers, but I like to explore the issues.... my point remains though, there are things that people say about God which are not true given what we see around us..... for those who are experiencing suffering, it would be callous to suggest that they have not prayed for relief only to find none... Did God not hear their cries? See their tears? Watch as their lives have been damaged sometimes to the point that normality is only a dream?
Well you dont asks Moriah but it answers you anyway: neither. Neither one. Just an objective statement of fact. Just like if it points to a bottle of lye and says, "this bes made for cleaning -- if you drinksy, you will die."
The alternative being what, then? An absentee, lazy, or simply uncaring God -- or heaven forbid, a sadistic one -- who sits with His arms folded while an alleged murderer and liar in whom supposedly no truth resides runs amok, has His way with us, molests us, twists us, takes some of us hostage, controls some of us even? Whoever heard of "impotent omnipotence"???it just don't jibe, sorry.*
How pagan indeed. Maybe He lets the devils do His dirty work and He sits there and watches for the LOLz?*
*disclaimer: do not really see God like this, just trying to make a point.
There is a creative tension between the state something is in and the more whole state it is moving toward. That it is incomplete does not mean that it is sinful. It's easy to mistake something that is uncomfortable for something that is bad.SIN.
Actually? No.
Separation face to face ensued as part of the act of creation itself. To make man, God had to separate, and make something alive and sentient what bes Not-God.
Separation back to back ensued after they ate the fruit and tasted the flavor of their own unbelief. Immediately they no longer trusted Him, and hid.
The manifest, opposite polarity of light would be darkness, which itself bes created by God. The act of creating light also creates darkness, the concept of what we have where light bes not. God created it, so it cannot be "sin".
A cosmic virus ensued when pain and confusion first arose in Lucifer's experience. Sin truly has no explanation, not even the rebellion of Lucifer because sin CAUSED Lucifer to rebel. The virus spontaneously mutated into existence at the Wrong from the Beginning. (Can go into more detail on this if anyone bes interested but that would be too long for this post)
Action against Divine Will -- you bes kidding right? Does anyone really have so much unbelief that they imagine such a critter even EXISTS in this universe?
The entire creation bes subject to God and as such, to His will, period, whether it appears to be so or not, whether we like what we see when we say that or not.
Action against Divine Will simply cannot exist, period. Action against Divine Ideal? Of course. That would be .......... Incompleteness. And so we come full circle.
Just because sin might have entered into this universe from the devil, doesn't mean that all sin is caused by the devil.
If we take humans as they are now, and removed the devil from the scene, than we humans would still sin.
We are the sinners now, and have been since Adam.
Do you mean in the Bible? In Christianity? This is not true in many places - here's one.Darkness is always used as a metaphor for sin. Always.
Do you mean in the Bible? In Christianity? This is not true in many places - here's one.
Was this something designed by God, Satan or Man? Call you provide me one example of the "yin/yang" principal in the Bible?Yin Yang - opposites are complementary and contained in one another. This is why there's a little bit of black inside of the white half - and a little bit of white inside the black half.
Actually, in America the black terminal of a battery is negative and the red terminal is positive. Besides, in your analogy here black (i.e. darkness) is still seen as "negative." Which, I think, is the point I have been making. Black (darkness) is bad, light is good.We don't say the negative terminal (black) of a car battery is bad - it's complementary with the positive terminal (white). This is the nature of polarity.
Please explain how sin causes natural disasters and accidents. Please. We would really like to know. You cannot expect any rational mind to believe for one second that everyone caught in a disaster has somehow sinned their way there and earned it. Because if you contend that, we haves scriptures to cut right through that lie.SIN.
The problem of Theodicy, it has recently learned, bes the only argument atheists claim to fully demonstrate and prove that God does not exist. Other arguments merely propose to show that belief in God bes unnecessary or pointless or whatever but the theodicial one goes the full distance.thanks Moriah for your comments, you have understood the issues I have raised.....loving parents will not stand by and watch as their child (or children) are harmed or traumatized. Loving parents will not give permission for another person to deliberately harm or kill their children..... yet christians have no problem (apparently) believing that God (Our Father) will do just that.... so there has to be some theological or mental gymnastics to reconcile these two concepts....
Thank you.It appears that you have great insight with this and other issues!
Yin Yang is a representation of celestial cycles - path of the earth around the sun. Take a peak and you will see the four seasons.Was this something designed by God, Satan or Man? Call you provide me one example of the "yin/yang" principal in the Bible?
Shattered shards in the Abyss here. The view bes breathtaking though. Well met.In Lurianic Kabbalah this is described as God withdrawing to make space for the ten emanations - creation.
true, I don't have the answers, but I like to explore the issues.... my point remains though, there are things that people say about God which are not true given what we see around us..... for those who are experiencing suffering, it would be callous to suggest that they have not prayed for relief only to find none... Did God not hear their cries? See their tears? Watch as their lives have been damaged sometimes to the point that normality is only a dream?
I certainly don't mean to downplay the point you're making. It is a valuable point.
Rather, I'm merely suggesting that, if anyone does attempt to answer your questions, we realize that such attempt is going to fall short in some way. After all, we're grappling with some things we don't fully understand. And yet we have faith, even though we don't understand.
Nope, just an objective statement of fact: if you do X, Y will result. No ulterior motive whatsoever.That's called a "warning" on a "warning" label. Obviously you must agree then that God was providing Adam a "warning" (based on the understanding you've shown).
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