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Why did you choose to excise the last part of my statement? That is a bit dishonest. It is difficult to have intelligent discourse with anyone who would pull a stunt like that.
when you research how the bible was compiled, how biblical language scholars can tell one linguistic style from another, how discrepancies were introduced into the copies, then we can have this conversation.... if you choose not to gather some collateral info, then nothing else for us to discuss on this issue.... as for my "claim," it is as valid as those who would suggest to you that the bible is the "word of God....."
agreed, though the evidence seems to suggest that God opted not to maintain anything.....Your claim is as possible as any other. For example, another possibility is that God is capable of maintaining the integrity of language if He chose to do so. Heck, another possibility is that I have misunderstood your claim entirely. I came to a discussion forum to swap ideas, not to tell you what you should believe.
I have assumed that you have examined the evidence but have come to a different conclusion... I'm cool with that..... anything is better than simply accepting because of tradition or because that is what you have always believed.....Further, you have made a number of assumptions about what I have read and researched. You seem to have reached these conclusion based solely on the fact that we view the subject differently. Of course, I believe that your assumptions about me are inaccurate. Nevertheless, you are free to reach your own conclusion.
my conclusion is that most people have a vested interest in maintaining the idea that the bible is "the word of God" thus anything that would suggest that it is not would be rejected.... I would prefer that people investigate and not think that just because its always been said its always true...Finally, is it your conclusion that, if others were to fully research the subject (presumably by reviewing solely the resources that you endorse), they would adopt the only correct understanding of the issue (otherwise known as "your understanding" or "the understanding of those who agree with you")?
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It was a stunt because you tried to give the reader the impression that you were responding to my post when you were not.No stunt involved. Your unedited post is in a public forum for all to see. I took on one part of your response that I specifically wanted to address. You are free to reply or ignore what I've written.
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Oh my - somebody is in retrograde.
agreed, though the evidence seems to suggest that God opted not to maintain anything.....
I have assumed that you have examined the evidence but have come to a different conclusion... I'm cool with that..... anything is better than simply accepting because of tradition or because that is what you have always believed.....
my conclusion is that most people have a vested interest in maintaining the idea that the bible is "the word of God" thus anything that would suggest that it is not would be rejected.... I would prefer that people investigate and not think that just because its always been said its always true...
It was a stunt because you tried to give the reader the impression that you were responding to my post when you were not.
The question has no value because you have no idea what God is capable of doing until he does it. You can make whatever claims you wish. What you need to do instead is explain why God would allow a situation to arise just so He can remedy it? Why allow my house to catch on fire so you can come to my rescue?Is God capable or incapable? I sense that some folks don't think the question is relevant and/or would prefer not to answer it.
The question has no value because you have no idea what God is capable of doing until he does it.
You can make whatever claims you wish.
What you need to do instead is explain why God would allow a situation to arise just so He can remedy it?
Why allow my house to catch on fire so you can come to my rescue?
information regarding how the bible was compiled, who may have compiled it, why it was done as it was..... here is one source, "How to read the Bible" by Kugel....You mentioned evidence. What is the evidence you speak of?
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Some of the more mainstream books include:information regarding how the bible was compiled, who may have compiled it, why it was done as it was..... here is one source, "How to read the Bible" by Kugel....
Are you talking about an all-powerful Being or not? Sometimes I cannot tell from reading your posts.Was your house allowed to catch on fire, or was a flaming torch thrown through an open window? In your mind, is there a dfiference between the two?
Now, can we deal with your assertion that "I insist," when in fact I do not insist.
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For some reason there are those who believe that I must accept the claim that God is just without judging him by universal human standards of justice. I am not sure how that is supposed to work.It would surprise me if we were to say that God takes less responsibility for His creation than humans do for their societies.
information regarding how the bible was compiled, who may have compiled it, why it was done as it was..... here is one source, "How to read the Bible" by Kugel....
For some reason there are those who believe that I must accept the claim that God is just without judging him by universal human standards of justice. I am not sure how that is supposed to work.
Some of the more mainstream books include:
Elaine Pagels. The first book I read was in 1992, "The Gnostic Paul." Other good ones are: "Adam, Eve, and the Serpent: Sex, and Politics in Early Christianity" - "The Origin of Satan" - "Reading Judas" - "Beyond Belief"
Bart Ehrman. "Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why" - "Jesus Interrupted" - "Lost Scriptures: Books that Did Not Make It into the New Testament" - "The Text of the New Testament: Its Transmission, Corruption, and Restoration"
John Shelby Spong. "A New Christianity for a New World" - "Jesus for the Non-Religious" - "The Sins of Scripture"
These stimulated thought.
Once again you cannot separate a person's "state of being" from who they are... so your question makes no sense realistically speaking....Not to mention there is no working definition of "righteousness." Having said that righteousness is not something that can be put on or taken off at will.... additionally we are not capable of assessing what is or is not "lofty" (who even uses words like that anymore?"). We are what we are, and God created us to be that... if any are righteous it is because God defines and gives it....Is our righteousness loftier than filthy rags?
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Once again you cannot separate a person's "state of being" from who they are... so your question makes no sense realistically speaking....
Not to mention there is no working definition of "righteousness."
Having said that righteousness is not something that can be put on or taken off at will....
additionally we are not capable of assessing what is or is not "lofty"
We are what we are, and God created us to be that...
if any are righteous it is because God defines and gives it....
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