Misunderstanding Matt Slick?

[CalledOutOne]

I think that I might be misunderstanding Matt Slick...

In this article he said:

Matt: Did God punish Jesus or did man do that? God did not punish Jesus. People, by their evil deeds killed Jesus.

The Bible says that God crushed Jesus and it pleased God to do it.

"...yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted." (Isaiah 53:4b)
"Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him;" (Isaiah 53:10a)

This is an issue concerning the Gospel. I hope I'm misunderstanding him. Anyone know what else he could have meant?

Obviously evil people did crush Jesus, but Jesus bore the wrath of God.

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[JM]

I think that I might be misunderstanding Matt Slick...

In this article he said:


The Bible says that God crushed Jesus and it pleased God to do it.

"...yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted." (Isaiah 53:4b)
"Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him;" (Isaiah 53:10a)

This is an issue concerning the Gospel. I hope I'm misunderstanding him. Anyone know what else he could have meant?

Obviously evil people did crush Jesus, but Jesus bore the wrath of God.

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I don't understand the problem.

 

[JM]

The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. Acts 5:30

The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. Acts 10:39

His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance. Deuteronomy 21:23

Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written , Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: Gal. 3:13

 

[JM]

Jesus was cursed because of the deeds of man as God ordained from eternity. I don't see a problem with the scriptures I posted or with what Slick wrote. There is a dual purpose; the justice and righteousness displayed in the plenty being paid for our sins and God's love and mercy in atoning for His people.

 

[CalledOutOne]

Jesus was cursed because of the deeds of man as God ordained from eternity. I don't see a problem with the scriptures I posted or with what Slick wrote. There is a dual purpose; the justice and righteousness displayed in the plenty being paid for our sins and God's love and mercy in atoning for His people.

There is a huge problem. It's that Jesus bore the wrath of God, not man.
Man did beat Christ, but it was God who crushed Him. That was what made Him the propitiation: What God did to Him.

Do you think Jesus was sweating blood over what man was about to do to Him? He was sweating blood because of what God was about to do to Him.

Matt Slick said that God didn't punish Him. That is wrong. God turned His back on Christ. Christ bore God's wrath.

 

[ChristianT]

There is a huge problem. It's that Jesus bore the wrath of God, not man.
Man did beat Christ, but it was God who crushed Him. That was what made Him the propitiation: What God did to Him.

Do you think Jesus was sweating blood over what man was about to do to Him? He was sweating blood because of what God was about to do to Him.

Matt Slick said that God didn't punish Him. That is wrong. God turned His back on Christ. Christ bore God's wrath.

Yeah, there's a lot of places where CARM is on par with biblical and logical truth, which is why I love their site mostly. But I also disagree with some of their conclusions, which are usually debatable and not necessary for salvation, but acceptable under the "Law of Liberty."

Romans 14 HCSB - The Law of Liberty - Accept anyone who - Bible Gateway

 

[JM]

God did not punish Jesus. People, by their evil deeds killed Jesus.

I see it. God did punish Christ for our sins and I also believe evil men punished Jesus. (John 3:19-21)

 

[CalledOutOne]

I see it. God did punish Christ for our sins and I also believe evil men punished Jesus. (John 3:19-21)

Right, both had a hand in it. But the most important doctrine is that God crushed the Son. That is the core of the Gospel itself. That it was God's actions. Not only by ordaining men to do it, but also by pouring out His wrath on Christ as the substitute.

 

[JM]

I posted when I was on break at work and missed it. Matt Slick should have read over his chat before posting it on the net...and I should have read over my post before hitting submit reply.

 

[CalledOutOne]

Yeah, there's a lot of places where CARM is on par with biblical and logical truth, which is why I love their site mostly. But I also disagree with some of their conclusions, which are usually debatable and not necessary for salvation, but acceptable under the "Law of Liberty."

Romans 14 HCSB - The Law of Liberty - Accept anyone who - Bible Gateway

This isn't about eating meats. This is about the Gospel.

Galatians 1 KJV - The Law of Anathema - Bible Gateway

I'm not saying Slick isn't saved... he might have just been caught up in the argument or I could be misunderstanding him.

 

[Apologetic_Warrior]

I'm not saying Slick isn't saved... he might have just been caught up in the argument or I could be misunderstanding him.

I believe Matt is a sincere well meaning Calvinist, most likely he did not think it all the way through. I am certain he would agree that Christ bore the wrath of God for the sins of His people. Who knows what kind of distractions he had at the time or struggles, etc. in which he wrote the article. It is also possible Matt did not write that piece, as there are others who help him in his ministry.

The following verse comes to mind:

Gen 50:20 “But as for you, you meant evil against me; but God meant it for good, in order to bring it about as it is this day, to save many people alive.

Those directly involved in the crucifixion meant evil against Christ, but God meant it for good to save many people...in doing so Christ bore the wrath of God, the substitutionary punishment that we deserve.

 

[CalledOutOne]

Those directly involved in the crucifixion meant evil against Christ, but God meant it for good to save many people...in doing so Christ bore the wrath of God, the substitutionary punishment that we deserve.

There is still something missing here. God crushed Him. God didn't only use the people as a means to crush Him, but actually Himself directly crushed Him.

Christ was not sweating blood because of what man was about to do to Him.