• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

  • CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.

Missing Historical books?

Jamdoc

Well-Known Member
Oct 22, 2019
8,360
2,609
Redacted
✟276,680.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Single
Constantly in the books of Chronicles, they say that the rest of a King's deeds are written in other books, such as the book of Shemaiah the prophet, or the story of the prophet Iddo, or books written by the prophet Nathan or Gad the seer, or Ahijah the Shilonite (in Kings they just say they're written about in the books of Chronicles).
Now supposedly traditionally the book of Samuel (so 2 Samuel) was picked up by Nathan after the prophet Samuel's death, so I guess somehow they're referring to 2 Samuel when saying the book of Nathan the prophet, even though we're talking about Solomon and almost all of 2 Samuel is about David his father.
I'd think that maybe they're referring to 1 Kings as a book written by Nathan, Iddo, etc, but it seems the traditional view is that the books of Kings were written by Jeremiah.
are they wrong? Or are we just plain missing the books written by Iddo, and other books written by Nathan and Gad and Ahijah and Shemaiah?
 

com7fy8

Well-Known Member
May 22, 2013
15,095
6,756
Massachusetts
✟678,520.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
I personally have accepted . . . assumed . . . they mean books which are not in the Canon and possibly have not been found and identified.

By the way > our Apostle Paul speaks of the letter "from Laodicea" >

"Now when this epistle is read among you, see that it is read also in the church of the Laodiceans, and that you likewise read the epistle from Laodicea." (Colossians 4:16)

I do not know of any Bible epistle which is "from Laodicea". But I understand that if the Holy Spirit directed Paul to tell them to read that epistle, it could be Canon qualified scripture.

But I would not call it "missing", but it has been doing its job, wherever it has gone, however God has used it :)
 
Upvote 0

Daniel Marsh

Well-Known Member
Jun 28, 2015
9,896
2,690
Livingston County, MI, US
✟237,133.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Republican
Constantly in the books of Chronicles, they say that the rest of a King's deeds are written in other books, such as the book of Shemaiah the prophet, or the story of the prophet Iddo, or books written by the prophet Nathan or Gad the seer, or Ahijah the Shilonite (in Kings they just say they're written about in the books of Chronicles).
Now supposedly traditionally the book of Samuel (so 2 Samuel) was picked up by Nathan after the prophet Samuel's death, so I guess somehow they're referring to 2 Samuel when saying the book of Nathan the prophet, even though we're talking about Solomon and almost all of 2 Samuel is about David his father.
I'd think that maybe they're referring to 1 Kings as a book written by Nathan, Iddo, etc, but it seems the traditional view is that the books of Kings were written by Jeremiah.
are they wrong? Or are we just plain missing the books written by Iddo, and other books written by Nathan and Gad and Ahijah and Shemaiah?
images
 
Upvote 0

Yekcidmij

Presbyterian, Polymath
Feb 18, 2002
10,469
1,453
East Coast
✟270,617.00
Country
United States
Faith
Presbyterian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
Constantly in the books of Chronicles, they say that the rest of a King's deeds are written in other books, such as the book of Shemaiah the prophet, or the story of the prophet Iddo, or books written by the prophet Nathan or Gad the seer, or Ahijah the Shilonite (in Kings they just say they're written about in the books of Chronicles).
Now supposedly traditionally the book of Samuel (so 2 Samuel) was picked up by Nathan after the prophet Samuel's death, so I guess somehow they're referring to 2 Samuel when saying the book of Nathan the prophet, even though we're talking about Solomon and almost all of 2 Samuel is about David his father.
I'd think that maybe they're referring to 1 Kings as a book written by Nathan, Iddo, etc, but it seems the traditional view is that the books of Kings were written by Jeremiah.
are they wrong? Or are we just plain missing the books written by Iddo, and other books written by Nathan and Gad and Ahijah and Shemaiah?

I think those books/scrolls are lost to history, and I'm not sure why this should be an issue. Just because an extra-canonical book is mentioned in the canon doesn't mean that the referenced book should be also be canonical. Paul quotes the pagan Cleanthes....should we canonize the Hymn to Zeus? Seems to me like we shouldn't.

While it may be nice as a point of history to have these other books mentioned, it's not a canonical issue as far as I can tell.
 
Upvote 0

1watchman

Overseer
Site Supporter
Oct 9, 2010
6,040
1,228
Washington State
✟358,418.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Certainly the main Books to be reading are in our Holy Bible: the four Gospels and the Epistles. So many Christians fail to understand the Epistles, which show what Christian assembly is, and how the various Assemblies interacted (not as denominated sects) and were of "one mind" and "one accord" ---even sending letters with saints as they traveled to visit gatherings elsewhere. We need to get back to that expression of "unity of the faith" (note 1 Cor. 12:25-27). I learned that at the site: Biblecounsel.net, which values God's mind for collective worship and holding to Bible-only.
Well, keep reading our Word of God, friend, and not be exploring religious writings everywhere; for there is the source of real and true knowledge, which we MUST know --would you agree?
 
Upvote 0

Jamdoc

Well-Known Member
Oct 22, 2019
8,360
2,609
Redacted
✟276,680.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Single
Certainly the main Books to be reading are in our Holy Bible: the four Gospels and the Epistles. So many Christians fail to understand the Epistles, which show what Christian assembly is, and how the various Assemblies interacted (not as denominated sects) and were of "one mind" and "one accord" ---even sending letters with saints as they traveled to visit gatherings elsewhere. We need to get back to that expression of "unity of the faith" (note 1 Cor. 12:25-27). I learned that at the site: Biblecounsel.net, which values God's mind for collective worship and holding to Bible-only.
Well, keep reading our Word of God, friend, and not be exploring religious writings everywhere; for there is the source of real and true knowledge, which we MUST know --would you agree?

I look at it as wanting the whole counsel of God.
 
Upvote 0

Acts29

Active Member
Oct 24, 2021
287
76
52
Tennessee
✟38,633.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Constantly in the books of Chronicles, they say that the rest of a King's deeds are written in other books, such as the book of Shemaiah the prophet, or the story of the prophet Iddo, or books written by the prophet Nathan or Gad the seer, or Ahijah the Shilonite (in Kings they just say they're written about in the books of Chronicles).
Now supposedly traditionally the book of Samuel (so 2 Samuel) was picked up by Nathan after the prophet Samuel's death, so I guess somehow they're referring to 2 Samuel when saying the book of Nathan the prophet, even though we're talking about Solomon and almost all of 2 Samuel is about David his father.
I'd think that maybe they're referring to 1 Kings as a book written by Nathan, Iddo, etc, but it seems the traditional view is that the books of Kings were written by Jeremiah.
are they wrong? Or are we just plain missing the books written by Iddo, and other books written by Nathan and Gad and Ahijah and Shemaiah?

Those books were just historical information regarding long dead kings. Not of much value. The words God spoke through His prophets are infinitely more valuable and we have those. I don't need to know every detail of history. I just want to know God and His ways. The books we do have are more than sufficient for that. Just my opinion.
 
Upvote 0

Jamdoc

Well-Known Member
Oct 22, 2019
8,360
2,609
Redacted
✟276,680.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Single
Those books were just historical information regarding long dead kings. Not of much value. The words God spoke through His prophets are infinitely more valuable and we have those. I don't need to know every detail of history. I just want to know God and His ways. The books we do have are more than sufficient for that. Just my opinion.

Well, I mean I guess but if scripture references them, I would figure there's something of value in them.
 
Upvote 0