Mishnah Seqal. 7:4

BarbB said:

I can't remember the intricacies

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• The date that Gabriel the angel tells Zechariah, the soon to be father of Yochanan, about his son's birth. (The birth date of Yochanan (John) is established by going forward nine months, the term of pregnancy).
• The approximate date of Miriam's (Mary's) conception.
• The date of Herod's death.

daughterofzion said:

Thank you all for your answers, still is there any such "verse" as this, and do any of you know what it says?

Jewish Mishnah Seqal. 7:4 -

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Finally, the Mishnah (Shekalim 7:4) implies that the sheep around Bethlehem were outside all year, and those that were worthy for the Passover offerings were in the fields thirty days before the feast, which would be as early as February, one of the coldest and rainiest months of the year.

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CHAPTER VII.

MISHNA: (a) If money is found between the chest marked "Shekalim" and that marked "voluntary offerings," it belongs to the chest marked "Shekalim" if it lies nearer to the same, and to the one marked "voluntary offerings" if it be nearer that. So also does it belong to the voluntary offerings if it be found midway between the two chests. Money found lying between the chests marked "wood" and "incense" belongs, if it be nearer the former, to the former; if nearer the latter to the latter, and also to the latter if found midway between the two. Money found lying between the chest marked "bird-offerings" and the one marked "doves" for whole-offerings belongs to the former if it be nearer the former; and if nearer the latter to the latter, and also to the latter if midway between the two. Money found between ordinary moneys and the moneys of the second tithes belongs, if nearer the former to the former; if nearer the latter to the latter, and also to the latter if found midway between the two. a1 The rule is: One must be guided by the proximity, even in the case of the less important; but in the event of equidistance, (one must be guided) by the greater importance (of the moneys).
(b) Money found (in Jerusalem) on the place of the cattle-dealers is regarded as second tithe. b1 Money found on the Temple-mount


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is ordinary. b2 Other money found in Jerusalem generally, during the festivals, is regarded as second tithe; at other times of the year as ordinary. b3
(c) Meat found in the outer court (of the Temple) is considered whole-offering if in complete joints; if cut in pieces it is sin-offering. c1 Meat found in the city is considered peace-offering. c2 All such meat must be laid aside for putrefaction, and then be burned in the crematory. Meat found anywhere else in the land is prohibited (to be used) as carrion, if found in whole joints; if found cut in pieces, it may be eaten; and during the festivals, when a great deal of meat is on hand, even whole joints may be eaten. c3
(d) Cattle found all the way from Jerusalem to Migdal Eder, and in the same vicinity in all directions, are considered, if male, as whole-offerings, and if female as peace-offerings. R. Jehudah





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says: "If they are fit for Passover-offerings they may be used for such purpose, providing Passover is not more than thirty days off." d1
(e) In former days, the finder of such cattle was pledged until he brought the drink-offerings belonging to such sacrifices; every finder, however, letting such cattle stand and going on his way, the high court decreed, that the costs of the drink-offerings belonging thereto be defrayed out of the public money.
(f) R. Simeon says: Seven decrees were promulgated by that court, and the latter was one of them. Further: If a non-Israelite send whole-offerings with the necessary drink-offerings from over the sea, they are offered up; but if sent without the necessary drink-offerings, the costs of the latter are defrayed from public money. If, again, a proselyte died and left offerings, the drink-offerings, if also left by him, are offered up with the others; if not left, the costs of same are defrayed out of public money. It was also a decree of the court, that in the event of a high priest dying, the necessary meat-offering [Leviticus vi. 13] should be paid for out of the public treasury. R. Jehudah, however, declared, that this should be done at the expense of the heirs. In both cases a tenth of an ephah should be offered.
(g) Further, that the priests may (at the sacrificial meals) make use of the salt and the wood (from the sanctuary); that the priests do not commit a breach of trust when misusing the ashes of the red heifer g1; lastly, that the public treasury reimburse


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for paid bird-offerings that had become unfit. g2 R. Jose, however, says: "He who contracts for the furnishing of the bird-offerings must reimburse for the spoilt."

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...no one celebrates Saturnalia any more. --Michael Morrison

This is quoted from -http://www.wcg.org/lit/jesus/datebirth.htm ​

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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Annual Events[/FONT] Saturnalia Festival

The Bryn Mawr Neighborhood Business Association produces the Saturnalia Festival, held in downtown Bryn Mawr on the “teenth” Saturday in December. Activities and attractions include musical performers, storytelling for children, a hayride tour of the neighborhood’s holiday lighting, masked reveling, hot chocolate and hot apple cider, toasted marshmallows and ‘smores, roasted chestnuts, and a visit from Santa Claus. Neighbors are invited to decorate their houses and gardens with lights to celebrate this event. Saturnalia brightens the darkest time of the year and offers an alternative to events such as Hanukkah, Winter Solstice, Christmas, and Kwanzaa. In the evening, following the event, Cuppa Java coffee shop hosts a party for adults.
The Saturnalia celebration, ancient Rome’s most popular, was named after Saturn, god of seed and sowing. With this event, Romans celebrated the completion of autumn planting. The Roman Empire originally celebrated for only one day, December 17, but Roman citizens later expanded celebrations to week-long celebrations, December 17-23. In addition to feasting, the Romans celebrated Saturnalia by giving gifts of wax candles and earthenware figures, and engaged in temporary role reversals. For the celebration, masters would serve their slaves. A funny felt-peaked hat was one costume component. Decorations included greenery swags and garland and gilded objects (gold – to symbolize the yellow sun), and candles in window openings.
Details for Saturnalia 2005
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daughterofzion said:

Thank you all for your answers, still is there any such "verse" as this, and do any of you know what it says?

Jewish Mishnah Seqal. 7:4 -

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Mishnah Shekalim 7 said:

(d) Cattle found all the way from Jerusalem to Migdal Eder, and in the same vicinity in all directions, are considered, if male, as whole-offerings, and if female as peace-offerings. R. Jehudah says: "If they are fit for Passover-offerings they may be used for such purpose, providing Passover is not more than thirty days off."

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Hoehner said:

those that were worthy for the Passover offerings were in the fields thirty days before the feast, which would be as early as February, one of the coldest and rainiest months of the year.

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