Mind

[AV1611VET]

If you act right you will have very few regrets.

And how do I act right?

To abort or not to abort?

Death penalty or no death penalty?

Euthanasia or comfort care?

War or diaspora?

Gun control or no gun control?

Divine right of kings or consent of the governed?

Don't ask/don't tell or military aids?

... and who decides?

 

[Davian]

Yes ... the soul is what we truly are.

I still don't know what you mean by "soul" in this context.

We're not going to have the same bodies in Heaven.

So you will have a different heart? Not the one you are thinking with now?

 

[AV1611VET]

So you will have a different heart?

That is correct.

 

[Davian]

That is correct.

And a different brain?

 

[AV1611VET]

And a different brain?

Yes, sir.

 

[juvenissun]

Hinduism is originally not a religion rather is civilization derived from Hindu Kush (Indus Valley). Strong Religion, culture, community or society's behaviour all together form civilization. Indus Valley had many small-small religions founded during settlement of groups. Each group had deity and own god to follow, therefore, you can perceive Hinduism has so many Gods. There were two major religions 1st Shaivism and 2nd Vaishnavism.

Hinduism was too vast to handle thus corrupted due to Brahmin dominance and new religion emerged 'Jainism' and 'Buddhism'. In other words Hinduism is huge tree with many branches like - Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism, and others. They all emerged as a result of religious crisis, similar to Judaism to Christianity and again break up to catholic, orthodox and so on. From barbaric religious rule to Islam then again break up to Shia and Sunni. All the religions and their inscriptions are same for betterment of the society. All the regions have Heaven and Hell to restrict unlawful practices that harms peaceful society.

Now your point Life after death - Is typical and complicated topic and may be joke for some. However, my explanation is - Are we electronic device? Battery goes off and we are finished. There has to be some force controlling our behaviour if not each one would have behaved same way. But some are very lucky and some looser, some are angrier, more pleasing, obstinate, fool, and intelligent and so on, why we react to surrounding environment? What forces us to get attracted? How Jesus touched one and got cured? Jesus was born on day rising glittering star. What was that? How 3-4 strangers from East came to know and visited to honour the divine birth. Planetary position is important during birth, so planets control us as sea waves by the Moon. These questions we ordinary people cannot answer, but drove sages to realize that all living species are part of energy and each individual has own energy field, in other words is ‘Aura’. Widening and narrowing energy field depends on what you sow you reap. A goal is fixed by God (unexplainable to me), is from super people of other planets, or Abraham or Shiva, or Energy rays of planets. I don’t know what I know is that there is some force that controls and we are tools. One has to achieve energy field fixed and has to go through the cycle of birth and death. One more point is that we are the creator of negative and positive environment on living earth. When negative environment reached extreme some force emerges to revive to positive but when positive environment reaches extreme it stinks and invites negative. This is what happened to all the religions, was introduced for welfare and security but over the time decayed to split up for new ideological religion. Sorry if it hurts anyone and I ask for pardon

Thanks for the elaboration.

But all you said comes from YOU, not from Hinduism. In other words, Hinduism says nothing about mind after death.

That is what I don't like.

Hindus believe that a dog might become a human in its "next life". If this is truly what they believe, then there MUST BE a theology about the mind after death.

 

[juvenissun]

That's because Christianity is only about life after death, if there was no promise of an after life there would be no Christians, Christians are only in it for what they hope to get out of it, Christianity is pure selfishness.

I talk to you because I want to learn from you.
I want to learn from you because I want to have a better eternal life.

What is wrong with this selfishness?

 

[Strathos]

The soul is not you, but a copy of you?

It's an analogy. Your soul is you but becomes disconnected from your physical body after you die.

How do you know it will "survive"? Is this demonstrable?

Not to you.

 

[Davian]

And a different brain?

Yes, sir.

We're back to the Star Trek transporter problem. I am my body, my brain. A copy of me is not me.

 

[Davian]

It's an analogy. Your soul is you but becomes disconnected from your physical body after you die.

The mind is an emergent process, a property of the brain. How do you disconnect a process? In what will this process take place if not a brain?

Not to you.

Is circular reasoning required here? Only those that believe that it can be demonstrated believe that it can be demonstrated?

 

[AV1611VET]

We're back to the Star Trek transporter problem. I am my body, my brain. A copy of me is not me.

The heart is part of the body.

The brain is part of the body.

The soul resides in the heart.

Bob lives in Apartment A.

Bob is removed from Apartment A and given a new apartment building.

Bob is still Bob.

 

[Davian]

The heart is part of the body.

The brain is part of the body.

The soul resides in the heart.

Helping you think, in some unknown way...

Bob lives in Apartment A.

Bob is removed from Apartment A and given a new apartment building.

Bob is still Bob.

How is that, if Bob has to leave all of his stuff (memories in his brain) behind? Doesn't sound like Bob will be Bob anymore.

 

[sandwiches]

The heart is part of the body.

The brain is part of the body.

The soul resides in the heart.

Are you being literal here? As in heart transplant recipients have the souls of the donors in them?

 

[AV1611VET]

Are you being literal here? As in heart transplant recipients have the souls of the donors in them?

No, the soul stays with the body.

OEM

 

[bhsmte]

It's an analogy. Your soul is you but becomes disconnected from your physical body after you die.



Not to you.

How is it demonstrable to you?

 

[Strathos]

The mind is an emergent process, a property of the brain. How do you disconnect a process? In what will this process take place if not a brain?

Spirit.

Is circular reasoning required here? Only those that believe that it can be demonstrated believe that it can be demonstrated?

You don't have to believe it if you don't want to.

How is it demonstrable to you?

Via spiritual experiences.

 

[Davian]

Spirit.

Can you define "spirit" in a manner that would make it a functional equivalent to a brain? No?

You don't have to believe it if you don't want to.

I asked, is circular reasoning required here? Only those that believe that it can be demonstrated believe that it can be demonstrated?

I do not see belief as a choice, but what is the alleged penalty if I don't "want" to believe in the existence of your particular deity?

Via spiritual experiences.

How do you discern "spiritual experiences" from self deception? Circular reasoning?

 

[Strathos]

Can you define "spirit" in a manner that would make it a functional equivalent to a brain? No?

You mean explain how it works?

I asked, is circular reasoning required here? Only those that believe that it can be demonstrated believe that it can be demonstrated?

If you don't have faith or don't believe you could, you won't see it.

I do not see belief as a choice, but what is the alleged penalty if I don't "want" to believe in the existence of your particular deity?

Nothing much different from what you probably already believe.

How do you discern "spiritual experiences" from self deception? Circular reasoning?

You would have to have one to know.

 

[Davian]

You mean explain how it works?

No, define "spirit" in some manner that would differentiate it from something you are just making up to fill a gap in your explanation.

If you don't have faith or don't believe you could, you won't see it.

Circular reasoning then.

Nothing much different from what you probably already believe.

I believe we are only talking about ancient myths and characters in books.

Again, I do not see belief as a choice, but what is the alleged penalty if I don't "want" to believe in the existence of your particular deity? Why (hypothetically) would anyone "want" the alternative?

You would have to have one to know.

The problem with self deception is that it is very deceptive.

Again, How do you discern "spiritual experiences" from self deception? Circular reasoning? Do you care? If you don't care whether or not your "spiritual experiences" are actually exercises in self-deception, I will drop it.

 

[Ginger123]

That's because Christianity is only about life after death, if there was no promise of an after life there would be no Christians, Christians are only in it for what they hope to get out of it, Christianity is pure selfishness.

I talk to you because I want to learn from you.
I want to learn from you because I want to have a better eternal life.

What is wrong with this selfishness?

Who said anything about talking to me or learning from me?

You are a Christian for one reason and one reason only, for what you think and hope you will get out of it.
You are a Christian because you were promised an after life and for no other reason.
No promise of an after life equals no Christians, Christianity is pure selfishness.