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AV1611VET

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If you act right you will have very few regrets.

And how do I act right?

To abort or not to abort?

Death penalty or no death penalty?

Euthanasia or comfort care?

War or diaspora?

Gun control or no gun control?

Divine right of kings or consent of the governed?

Don't ask/don't tell or military aids?

... and who decides?
 
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Thanks for the elaboration.

But all you said comes from YOU, not from Hinduism. In other words, Hinduism says nothing about mind after death.

That is what I don't like.

Hindus believe that a dog might become a human in its "next life". If this is truly what they believe, then there MUST BE a theology about the mind after death.
 
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That's because Christianity is only about life after death, if there was no promise of an after life there would be no Christians, Christians are only in it for what they hope to get out of it, Christianity is pure selfishness.

I talk to you because I want to learn from you.
I want to learn from you because I want to have a better eternal life.

What is wrong with this selfishness?
 
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The soul is not you, but a copy of you?

It's an analogy. Your soul is you but becomes disconnected from your physical body after you die.

How do you know it will "survive"? Is this demonstrable?

Not to you.
 
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It's an analogy. Your soul is you but becomes disconnected from your physical body after you die.
The mind is an emergent process, a property of the brain. How do you disconnect a process? In what will this process take place if not a brain?

Not to you.
Is circular reasoning required here? Only those that believe that it can be demonstrated believe that it can be demonstrated?
 
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We're back to the Star Trek transporter problem. I am my body, my brain. A copy of me is not me.
The heart is part of the body.

The brain is part of the body.

The soul resides in the heart.

Bob lives in Apartment A.

Bob is removed from Apartment A and given a new apartment building.

Bob is still Bob.
 
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The heart is part of the body.

The brain is part of the body.

The soul resides in the heart.
Helping you think, in some unknown way...
Bob lives in Apartment A.

Bob is removed from Apartment A and given a new apartment building.

Bob is still Bob.
How is that, if Bob has to leave all of his stuff (memories in his brain) behind? Doesn't sound like Bob will be Bob anymore.
 
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The heart is part of the body.

The brain is part of the body.

The soul resides in the heart.

Are you being literal here? As in heart transplant recipients have the souls of the donors in them?
 
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The mind is an emergent process, a property of the brain. How do you disconnect a process? In what will this process take place if not a brain?

Spirit.

Is circular reasoning required here? Only those that believe that it can be demonstrated believe that it can be demonstrated?

You don't have to believe it if you don't want to.

How is it demonstrable to you?

Via spiritual experiences.
 
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Can you define "spirit" in a manner that would make it a functional equivalent to a brain? No?
You don't have to believe it if you don't want to.
I asked, is circular reasoning required here? Only those that believe that it can be demonstrated believe that it can be demonstrated?

I do not see belief as a choice, but what is the alleged penalty if I don't "want" to believe in the existence of your particular deity?
Via spiritual experiences.
How do you discern "spiritual experiences" from self deception? Circular reasoning?
 
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Can you define "spirit" in a manner that would make it a functional equivalent to a brain? No?

You mean explain how it works?

I asked, is circular reasoning required here? Only those that believe that it can be demonstrated believe that it can be demonstrated?

If you don't have faith or don't believe you could, you won't see it.

I do not see belief as a choice, but what is the alleged penalty if I don't "want" to believe in the existence of your particular deity?

Nothing much different from what you probably already believe.

How do you discern "spiritual experiences" from self deception? Circular reasoning?

You would have to have one to know.
 
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You mean explain how it works?
No, define "spirit" in some manner that would differentiate it from something you are just making up to fill a gap in your explanation.
If you don't have faith or don't believe you could, you won't see it.
Circular reasoning then.
Nothing much different from what you probably already believe.
I believe we are only talking about ancient myths and characters in books.

Again, I do not see belief as a choice, but what is the alleged penalty if I don't "want" to believe in the existence of your particular deity? Why (hypothetically) would anyone "want" the alternative?
You would have to have one to know.
The problem with self deception is that it is very deceptive.

Again, How do you discern "spiritual experiences" from self deception? Circular reasoning? Do you care? If you don't care whether or not your "spiritual experiences" are actually exercises in self-deception, I will drop it.
 
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That's because Christianity is only about life after death, if there was no promise of an after life there would be no Christians, Christians are only in it for what they hope to get out of it, Christianity is pure selfishness.

I talk to you because I want to learn from you.
I want to learn from you because I want to have a better eternal life.

What is wrong with this selfishness?
Who said anything about talking to me or learning from me?

You are a Christian for one reason and one reason only, for what you think and hope you will get out of it.
You are a Christian because you were promised an after life and for no other reason.
No promise of an after life equals no Christians, Christianity is pure selfishness.
 
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