Millennial Temple & Sacrifices

[Augustine_Was_Calvinist]

In all your pride, you can't resist getting a little dig in by using a logical fallacy such as guilt by association...Calvin (praised for his logic) is turning in his grave!

I don't know where you got that from, but has been no "guilt by association".

You have simply seen something that does not exist.

 

[Augustine_Was_Calvinist]

No difference in most cases between Southern Presby's and Southern Baptists, most Southerns view the Covenant in a Baptist manner.

When I posted this link (http://www.apuritansmind.com/Baptism/MyRetraction.htm), it seem to cause a stir, enjoy.

By the way, www.apuritansmind.com is NOT a Southern Baptist site.

It's a Reformed Baptist site.

Please get educated on these matters.

 

[Knight]

I do see a connection between the OT practice of circumcision and the NT command to baptize. However, the point at which I depart from my Presbyterian Brothers is at the point where we determine who are “The Children of the Covenant?” They see the continuity between the OT and NT best served by baptizing the children of believers. I, on the other hand, see the continuity as most solidly represented as we baptize those that have become "children of the promise" (aka, the Israel of God) through faith. My view of baptism is absolutely covenantal in its orientation, and solidly reformed. My view of baptism need not be affirmed by my Presbyterian brothers for my theology to be Reformed.

My sentiments EXACTLY!!

Good to see that there are more of us.

 

[Augustine_Was_Calvinist]

My sentiments EXACTLY!!

Good to see that there are more of us.

Don't gloat too much, there are plenty of us Presbies around too.

As a matter of fact, we prolly have the Reformed Baptists outnumbered.

Welcome to CF btw. Hope to see you around more.

 

[Knight]

Don't gloat too much, there are plenty of us Presbies around too.

No gloating.... Just elation.

As a matter of fact, we prolly have the Reformed Baptists outnumbered.

True but we're used to bucking the trends

Welcome to CF btw. Hope to see you around more.

Thanks and ditto...

Though for as long as I've been lurking in and out of these forums I should be welcoming you.

 

[Augustine_Was_Calvinist]

No gloating.... Just elation.



True but we're used to bucking the trends



Thanks and ditto...

Though for as long as I've been lurking in and out of these forums I should be welcoming you.

Well, I can only speak for myself, but I and all the Presby friends I have are glad to have our Reformed Baptist brethren along side.

 

[JM]

There will be no Millennial Temple...I was sorry mistaken...forgive me.

 

[sojourner2006]

Just as we have a type of Christ in the Lord's Supper, so will the Jew with the Millennial Temple & Sacrifices, after all the blood of bulls and goats never saved anyone.

So anyhoo, back to the subject at hand...

Does anyone need a "type" in this so called millennial temple when the object (Christ) will be right there? Hmmm. Here Lord Jesus, let me offer you this slain bull that represents, ah, well, You...

You may need some serious if you believe that.

 

[JM]

There will be no Millennial Temple...I was sorry mistaken...forgive me.

 

[eph3Nine]

Thanks for kicking me when I'm just getting on my feet again! And for that, you need some serious .

I quote from the post I wrote just before yours: "Just wanted to state, I've been spending time repenting of my dispensational error. The inconsistant view I was taught as a dispensationalist finally forced me to accept the idea of New Covenant as being for the Church today, the Bible is opening up for me now."

Thanks again, friend.

Hey, you just hang in there my friend. The fact that you have SEEN this all too common error is a REAL breakthrough.

If you would like some FREE material...study material that is easy reading and wonderfully interesting...please PM me with your mailing address and I will send it to you FREE.

YOU will LOVE IT! And it will help solidify your new found entrance into the epignosis of God....full knowledge. Without the Mystery information you only have part of the puzzle...Please, contact me and I will send you some study material to EDIFY YOU and build you UP and establish you in your faith.

Huuuugs

 

[msortwell]

O.K., now I'm confused. It seems that JM is saying that he moved from a firmly dispensational position toward a Covenantal view, but stopped full short of a CT position, stopping at a New Covenant Theological position. Then it seems that eph3nine is congratulating him on his recently gained knowledge and offering to provide additional materials that will reinforce his new position.

Now, some of you may not have picked up on it, but eph3nine is a mid-acts dispensationalist. This position would seem to be at the opposite end of the theological spectrum from a Covenantal Theology. Thus, it would seem that moving from traditional dispensationalism (JM's former position) toward CT (the direction of NCT when moving from a traditional dispy view) would be moving AWAY from a mid-Acts view.

Who's confused here? Is it me? Am I misinterpreting eph3nine or JM? Somebody HELP me!!!

 

[holdon]

O.K., now I'm confused. It seems that JM is saying that he moved from a firmly dispensational position toward a Covenantal view, but stopped full short of a CT position, stopping at a New Covenant Theological position. Then it seems that eph3nine is congratulating him on his recently gained knowledge and offering to provide additional materials that will reinforce his new position.

Now, some of you may not have picked up on it, but eph3nine is a mid-acts dispensationalist. This position would seem to be at the opposite end of the theological spectrum from a Covenantal Theology. Thus, it would seem that moving from traditional dispensationalism (JM's former position) toward CT (the direction of NCT when moving from a traditional dispy view) would be moving AWAY from a mid-Acts view.

Who's confused here? Is it me? Am I misinterpreting eph3nine or JM? Somebody HELP me!!!

It reminds me of the Japanese subway system. They won't let you out unless you exit at the stop the ticket was intended for. In other words one can run back and forth without ever getting to see the daylight, unless you exit at the right station. Now, the right station is of course "acts 2 dispensationalism".
So, for those who travel in the covenant/dispensation system stop travelling back and forth, but exit at Acts 2 Disp. All other stations will just give you more "mystery".

P.S. The sky is beautiful out here!

 

[JM]

O.K., now I'm confused. It seems that JM is saying that he moved from a firmly dispensational position toward a Covenantal view, but stopped full short of a CT position, stopping at a New Covenant Theological position. Then it seems that eph3nine is congratulating him on his recently gained knowledge and offering to provide additional materials that will reinforce his new position.

lol, you think you're confussed! No, I'm not NCT. I never had any idea of Covenant before...now I'm just trying to hang around and learn about Covenant or New Covenant theology. I don't claim any school.

Now, some of you may not have picked up on it, but eph3nine is a mid-acts dispensationalist. This position would seem to be at the opposite end of the theological spectrum from a Covenantal Theology. Thus, it would seem that moving from traditional dispensationalism (JM's former position) toward CT (the direction of NCT when moving from a traditional dispy view) would be moving AWAY from a mid-Acts view.

eph3nine has shown me the logical outcome of the Dispensational view which is Mid Acts. I don't agree with the Mid Acts position so I return to examine my presuppositions and found the flaw. Thank you LORD!

Who's confused here? Is it me? Am I misinterpreting eph3nine or JM? Somebody HELP me!!!

I made a short post in the Reformed forum to apologize for the error I've spread all over this forum.

Peace,

j

 

[sojourner2006]

Thanks for kicking me when I'm just getting on my feet again! And for that, you need some serious .

I quote from the post I wrote just before yours: "Just wanted to state, I've been spending time repenting of my dispensational error. The inconsistant view I was taught as a dispensationalist finally forced me to accept the idea of New Covenant as being for the Church today, the Bible is opening up for me now."

Thanks again, friend.

Please forgive me I had not directed that to you in particular as I did not think you held that view, it was directed at those who do hold that view, which by the way should be the logical out come of dispensational hermeneutics (if applied consistantly).

 

[JM]

Sorry for being so touchy, I know I may seem flaky to some, but my heart is set on the truth and the world seems so much more alive since I abandoned the dispensational scaffolding. If anyone else here’s been through it, they know what I’m talking about.
Peace.

 

[eph3Nine]

god Is Dispensational. Its Not Hard. Its The Only Way Anyones Bible Will Make Sense.

 

[TubaFour]

Sorry for being so touchy, I know I may seem flaky to some, but my heart is set on the truth and the world seems so much more alive since I abandoned the dispensational scaffolding. If anyone else here’s been through it, they know what I’m talking about.
Peace.

I know what you're talking about. Welcome to a true, deep and life altering understanding of Christianity.

aL

 

[heymikey80]

Sorry for being so touchy, I know I may seem flaky to some, but my heart is set on the truth and the world seems so much more alive since I abandoned the dispensational scaffolding. If anyone else here’s been through it, they know what I’m talking about.
Peace.

I know exactly your sentiment, and even NCT is a huge advance on it. The light dawned when Covenantalists asked me to start reading Scripture as God drawing people back again and again from different errors to a unity of the relationships with Him. And NCT acknowledges that to a large extent.

Frankly, I'm not inclined toward NCT, but instead a "theology of covenants" that actually coexists well with CT. This is mostly from my inability to resolve NCT with Gal 3:15ff. But I do know your sentiment, and it's held true for me for decades, now.

There're errors in both NCT and CT; but yes, both share immense truths that bring God's words to life.

 

[sojourner2006]

Sorry for being so touchy, I know I may seem flaky to some, but my heart is set on the truth and the world seems so much more alive since I abandoned the dispensational scaffolding. If anyone else here’s been through it, they know what I’m talking about.
Peace.

I know exactly what your going through. The first people to get ahold of me after my conversion were the Seventh Day Adventist, after I rejected that, then I bought a Ryrie Study Bible, fortunately after being burned by the SDA I was not as easly led into my next set of blinders. For me anyway the Reformed/Covenantal mindset is pretty close to were I'm at.

I pray that the God of our Lord Jesus Crist give you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him.

 

[eph3Nine]

I know exactly what your going through. The first people to get ahold of me after my conversion were the Seventh Day Adventist, after I rejected that, then I bought a Ryrie Study Bible, fortunately after being burned by the SDA I was not as easly led into my next set of blinders. For me anyway the Reformed/Covenantal mindset is pretty close to were I'm at.

I pray that the God of our Lord Jesus Crist give you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him.

JM said:

Sorry for being so touchy, I know I may seem flaky to some, but my heart is set on the truth and the world seems so much more alive since I abandoned the dispensational scaffolding. If anyone else here’s been through it, they know what I’m talking about.
Peace.

Hey JM....you abandoned the dispensational view of Acts 2, and THATs a GOOD THING. However, take it one step further and actually STUDY the correct dispensational view in Acts 9, and you will HAVE the scaffolding you NEED that will make sense of your entire bible.

Im still waiting to send you the material for you to look over. It will blow your socks off and give you the spiritual support you have been seeking...truly.

Pauls information is the ONLY one that promises to ESTABLISH us...and its because its written TO us specifically.