Millennial Temple & Sacrifices

[JM]

There will be no Millennial Temple...I was sorry mistaken...forgive me.
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[Ebb]

Since all of the OT shadows and types have been fulfilled in Christ, then the keeping of the feast of tabernacles, temple worship, etc, must refer to gospel worship and our continued offering of spiritual sacrifices:

Romans 12: 1I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. 2And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

1 Peter 2: 5Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ....9But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light; 10Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.


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[Dave Taylor]

Christ's own sacrifice has been given.
It is sufficient for anyone who would call upon His name.

Christ's temple has been built.
It is a temple made without hands, and is sufficient to anyone whom desires to enter into it.

 

[Dave Taylor]

Streetpreacher started this same thread over in the Dispensationalism section.



Here are some other Premillenniam expectations in their future Premill Temple that were omitted.

Ezekiel 43:18-27
"And He said unto me, Son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; These are the ordinances of the altar in the day when they shall make it, to offer burnt offerings thereon, and to sprinkle blood thereon. And thou shalt give to the priests the Levites that be of the seed of Zadok, which approach unto me, to minister unto Me, saith the Lord GOD, a young bullock for a sin offering. And thou shalt take of the blood thereof, and put it on the four horns of it, and on the four corners of the settle, and upon the border round about: thus shalt thou cleanse and purge it. Thou shalt take the bullock also of the sin offering, and he shall burn it in the appointed place of the house, without the sanctuary. And on the second day thou shalt offer a kid of the goats without blemish for a sin offering; and they shall cleanse the altar, as they did cleanse it with the bullock. When thou hast made an end of cleansing it, thou shalt offer a young bullock without blemish, and a ram out of the flock without blemish. And thou shalt offer them before the LORD, and the priests shall cast salt upon them, and they shall offer them up for a burnt offering unto the LORD. Seven days shalt thou prepare every day a goat for a sin offering: they shall also prepare a young bullock, and a ram out of the flock, without blemish. Seven days shall they purge the altar and purify it; and they shall consecrate themselves. And when these days are expired, it shall be, that upon the eighth day, and so forward, the priests shall make your burnt offerings upon the altar, and your peace offerings; and I will accept you, saith the Lord GOD."

Ezekiel 44:9 "Thus saith the Lord GOD; No stranger, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary"

Ezekiel 46:20 "Then said He unto me, This is the place where the priests shall boil the trespass offering and the sin offering, where they shall bake the meat offering; that they bear them not out into the utter court, to sanctify the people."


That's the type of Kingdom that Premillennialism is looking forward to.

 

[Knee V]

One thing to keep in mind is that many of these prophecies were written at a time when the Temple had been destroyed and was awaiting being rebuilt. Ezekiel, for instance, falls into that time frame. When Ezekiel was prophecying about a new temple, that was soon to be directly fulfilled within a few decades, then several centuries later with the coming of Christ and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Augustine_Was_Calvinist]

Streetpreacher started this same thread over in the Dispensationalism section.



Here are some other Premillenniam expectations in their future Premill Temple that were omitted.

Ezekiel 43:18-27
"And He said unto me, Son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; These are the ordinances of the altar in the day when they shall make it, to offer burnt offerings thereon, and to sprinkle blood thereon. And thou shalt give to the priests the Levites that be of the seed of Zadok, which approach unto me, to minister unto Me, saith the Lord GOD, a young bullock for a sin offering. And thou shalt take of the blood thereof, and put it on the four horns of it, and on the four corners of the settle, and upon the border round about: thus shalt thou cleanse and purge it. Thou shalt take the bullock also of the sin offering, and he shall burn it in the appointed place of the house, without the sanctuary. And on the second day thou shalt offer a kid of the goats without blemish for a sin offering; and they shall cleanse the altar, as they did cleanse it with the bullock. When thou hast made an end of cleansing it, thou shalt offer a young bullock without blemish, and a ram out of the flock without blemish. And thou shalt offer them before the LORD, and the priests shall cast salt upon them, and they shall offer them up for a burnt offering unto the LORD. Seven days shalt thou prepare every day a goat for a sin offering: they shall also prepare a young bullock, and a ram out of the flock, without blemish. Seven days shall they purge the altar and purify it; and they shall consecrate themselves. And when these days are expired, it shall be, that upon the eighth day, and so forward, the priests shall make your burnt offerings upon the altar, and your peace offerings; and I will accept you, saith the Lord GOD."

Ezekiel 44:9 "Thus saith the Lord GOD; No stranger, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary"

Ezekiel 46:20 "Then said He unto me, This is the place where the priests shall boil the trespass offering and the sin offering, where they shall bake the meat offering; that they bear them not out into the utter court, to sanctify the people."


That's the type of Kingdom that Premillennialism is looking forward to.

And that is a perversion and degradation of the Blood of Christ.

It is worst than the RCC dogma of purgatory at denying the sufficiency of the Blood of Christ.

 

[Antman_05]

Prophecies of a Millennial Temple: ​

Joel 3:18

Isaiah 2:3

Isaiah 60:13

Daniel 9:24

Haggai 2:7,9



Prophecies of animal sacrifices in the future Temple:

Isaiah 56:6,7

Isaiah 60:7

Jeremiah 33:18

Zechariah 14:16-21


How does Covenant theology deal with these passages?

Millennial Temple sorry in those srciptures it doesn't say anything about the millennial idea that some hold to these only one mention of the 1000 yrs and thats in Reverlations so therefore its unscripture to call it a millennial temple let alone animal sacrifices would happen in this temple.

 

[JM]

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[msortwell]

As others have pointed out, none of the Scriptures that you have referenced teach that there will be an earthly temple wherein animal sacrifices will be performed during a period following the removal of the gentile church. Surely this would fit nicely within the Dispensational-Premillennial CONSTRUCT, but the Scriptures make no clear claim.

I do see as significant however, that 3 of the 4 gospels document that Jesus acted in the belief that Is 56:7 was being fulfilled (at least in part) during His earthly ministry.

Why must those who so highly tout their "literal" hermeneutic (and you know that you do) force these scriptures into their model?

Blessings,


Mike

 

[JM]

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[msortwell]

Thank you, but I noticed you claim to be 'reformed' and baptist...did you know no such thing exists? This may seem like a red herring but I once considered myself reformed and baptist until I studied Reformed doctrine and realized the two cannot exist together. I'm sure believer's baptism would fit nicely into your CONSTRUCT, but it doesn't and is contray to Covenant thinking. Anyone who claims to use 'Reformed' theology must in fact have a NT type for circumcision.

If you think I'm lying, ask anyone in the Reformed/Presby Church.

I sit in the dispensational camp because I am a baptist who struggles with the logical outcome of Covenant thinking.

I've heard and read it before, 'all baptists are dispensational for not including infants in the covenant.'

Wow! You would have me ask a Presbyterian (or similar) if a Baptist can be Reformed? Is that where you obtain your theology, from the opinions of men? It is rare for a dispensationalist to be so open about it . I will admit that my Presbyterian Brothers have a difficult time reconciling by Baptist convictions with a Reformed theology, but that’s more their problem (and apparently yours) than mine.

I do see a connection between the OT practice of circumcision and the NT command to baptize. However, the point at which I depart from my Presbyterian Brothers is at the point where we determine who are “The Children of the Covenant?” They see the continuity between the OT and NT best served by baptizing the children of believers. I, on the other hand, see the continuity as most solidly represented as we baptize those that have become "children of the promise" (aka, the Israel of God) through faith. My view of baptism is absolutely covenantal in its orientation, and solidly reformed. My view of baptism need not be affirmed by my Presbyterian brothers for my theology to be Reformed.

I would be interested in what you have concluded is "The logical outcome of Reformed thinking."

Blessings,

Mike

 

[msortwell]

SP,

I would also be interested in your response to Jesus' actions reflecting His beliefs that Is 56:7 was (at least partially) fulfilled during His time.

Mike

 

[Augustine_Was_Calvinist]

Wow! You would have me ask a Presbyterian (or similar) if a Baptist can be Reformed? Is that where you obtain your theology, from the opinions of men? It is rare for a dispensationalist to be so open about it . I will admit that my Presbyterian Brothers have a difficult time reconciling by Baptist convictions with a Reformed theology, but that’s more their problem (and apparently yours) than mine.

This is one Presbyterian who has no problem. The only real difference is over paedo-baptism vs. credo-baptism, which is a very minor point. In all else we agree. Some of my favorite Reformed teachers and writers are Reformed Baptists; Piper for one, James White for another, and I think I can safely speak for my Presbyterian brethren who would echo my comments.

I think our misinformed friend has a lack of understanding of Baptists and what Reformed really means.

I wonder if he knows that there are hundreds of different Baptists sects?

Some are Arminian, some are charismatic, some are Anabaptist, some are Reformed, some are Calminian, some are Amyraldian, etc.

By the way, do you know the difference between a Southern Baptist and a Presbyterian?

The Presbyterian will say hello to you in the liquor store.

 

[Augustine_Was_Calvinist]

Thank you, but I noticed you claim to be 'reformed' and baptist...did you know no such thing exists? This may seem like a red herring but I once considered myself reformed and baptist until I studied Reformed doctrine and realized the two cannot exist together. I'm sure believer's baptism would fit nicely into your CONSTRUCT, but it doesn't and is contray to Covenant thinking. Anyone who claims to use 'Reformed' theology must in fact have a NT type for circumcision.

If you think I'm lying, ask anyone in the Reformed/Presby Church.

You have been misled about a great many things.

I am PCA-Presbyterian, and one's position on paedo-baptism does not identify them as "Reformed". What identifies any as "Reformed" is that they subscribe to the Biblical Doctrines of Grace as recaptured during the Reformation.

I've heard and read it before, 'all baptists are dispensational for not including infants in the covenant.'

peace

All that does is reveal the ignorance of the one making that statement.

 

[JM]

There will be no Millennial Temple...I was sorry mistaken...forgive me.

 

[msortwell]

Thank you, but I noticed you claim to be 'reformed' and baptist...did you know no such thing exists? This may seem like a red herring but I once considered myself reformed and baptist until I studied Reformed doctrine and realized the two cannot exist together. I'm sure believer's baptism would fit nicely into your CONSTRUCT, but it doesn't and is contray to Covenant thinking. Anyone who claims to use 'Reformed' theology must in fact have a NT type for circumcision.

If you think I'm lying, ask anyone in the Reformed/Presby Church.

I sit in the dispensational camp because I am a baptist who struggles with the logical outcome of Covenant thinking.

I've heard and read it before, 'all baptists are dispensational for not including infants in the covenant.'

Wow! You would have me ask a Presbyterian (or similar) if a Baptist can be Reformed? Is that where you obtain your theology, from the opinions of men? It is rare for a dispensationalist to be so open about it . I will admit that my Presbyterian Brothers have a difficult time reconciling by Baptist convictions with a Reformed theology, but that’s more their problem (and apparently yours) than mine.

I do see a connection between the OT practice of circumcision and the NT command to baptize. However, the point at which I depart from my Presbyterian Brothers is at the point where we determine who are “The Children of the Covenant?” They see the continuity between the OT and NT best served by baptizing the children of believers. I, on the other hand, see the continuity as most solidly represented as we baptize those that have become "children of the promise" (aka, the Israel of God) through faith. My view of baptism is absolutely covenantal in its orientation, and solidly reformed. My view of baptism need not be affirmed by my Presbyterian brothers for my theology to be Reformed.

I would be interested in what you have concluded is "The logical outcome of Reformed thinking."

Blessings,

Mike

 

[JM]

There will be no Millennial Temple...I was sorry mistaken...forgive me.

 

[Augustine_Was_Calvinist]

No difference in most cases between Southern Presby's and Southern Baptists, most Southerns view the Covenant in a Baptist manner.

When I posted this link (http://www.apuritansmind.com/Baptism/MyRetraction.htm), it seem to cause a stir, enjoy.

There is a world of difference between Southern Baptists and Presbyterians.

Granted there are many Southern Baptists who are now coming back to the truth of Covenant theology after finally seeing the many errors of dispensationalism, most S. Baptists are still dispensational.

I don't know where you are getting your info from but it is in error just as dispensationalism is.

 

[JM]

There will be no Millennial Temple...I was sorry mistaken...forgive me.

 

[Augustine_Was_Calvinist]

Ok, take a trip to sermonaudio.com and download a sermons by Presby's under covenant.

http://www.paulperspective.com/docs/morecraft4.pdf

http://www.faithtacoma.org/covenant.htm

http://www.banneroftruth.org/pages/articles/article_detail.php?494

It's a big topic and I'm posting using general terms, if you do study it out you'll soon agree. The Southern Presby's (in gerneral) view the Covenant the same way a Reformed Baptist would view the covenant and many do no covenant their children in the 'classic' Reformed way.

I agree with that. Where you are badly mistaken is in your misunderstanding of Baptists, and comparing Reformed Baptists to Southern Baptists when they are not the same.

In all your pride, you can't resist getting a little dig in by using a logical fallacy such as guilt by association...Calvin (praised for his logic) is turning in his grave!

And how exactly did I make any "guilt by association"?????

I'm glad to meet you God, now that you presume to be able to judge my heart.

I'm afraid you are mistaken about a great many things, one being that Southern Baptists are not equivalent to Reformed Baptist. They are two separate camps, just as there are many variations of Baptists.

Primitive Baptists are Reformed also, meaning they subscribe to the Doctrines of Grace recaptured by the Reformers, and they hold to the London Confession just as the Reformed Baptist denomination does.

I would recommend that you get better educated about the differences between Southern Baptists and Reformed Baptists, among other things.