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Millennial Exclusion

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Someone recently shared a review of the book:

"THE ROD: WILL GOD SPARE IT? An Exhaustive Study of Temporary Punishment for Unfaithful Christians at the Judgment Seat and During the Millennial Kingdom" by J. D. Faust

I think it may have been Jim... he does a lot of reviews and I always read the reviews! In this case I was so attracted to the concept that I went out and bought the book for my Kindle.

I have to say that much of it makes sense, and it answers some questions about the NT warnings regarding what happens to believers who live carnal sinful lives.

I believe in "eternal security" when it comes to eternal life. "Millennial Exclusion" is a teaching that says as a believer you indeed possess eternal life, but you may suffer exclusion from the millennial kingdom if you are not an "overcomer" (see the letters to the 7 churches in Revelation) in this life. Essentially you will be raised from the dead at the "rapture" and judged at the "judgment seat of Christ" (The "Bema Seat"). I think most of us assume that to be a judgment for rewards, not punishment. Faust makes a convincing case that if you have lived a carnal life and have not repented, you may find yourself in literal hell during the 1000 years of Christ's reign. As I said, you would be raptured, appear before the Judgment seat of Christ, and if you are judged unworthy, you will actually be slayed, touched by the second death, and sent into outer darkness. You would then be raised up again at the end of the 1000 years and enter eternal life. The book is much more detailed in this.

I have not bought into this on a mental level, but I have to say I have some very strong spiritual assurances about this. The bell is ringing. This is a bit odd for me because I have been a Bible student and teacher for over 40 years and I have never really seen this in the light it is being presented. I do not pretend to know "everything" but something this significant... you would think I would have at least received a hit.

Thoughts?

I will share more if you like.
 

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I've mentioned this book once or twice a month or so ago, having read it myself earlier this year. I don't agree with a bit of it, and other parts are still floating around in my mind as aspects to ponder, but it did get rid of a lot of loose ends for me and made sense in a number of areas.
 
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I've mentioned this book once or twice a month or so ago, having read it myself earlier this year. I don't agree with a bit of it, and other parts are still floating around in my mind as aspects to ponder, but it did get rid of a lot of loose ends for me and made sense in a number of areas.
Agreed...
That is about where I am at.
In some cases it is like those puzzle pieces that never seemed to fit suddenly have a place and work together with adjacent pieces.
I will continue to investigate.
Thanks~
 
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Thoughts?

I will share more if you like.


Interesting!

Does he say what the criteria for temporary Hell is?

I mean eternal Hell is just one sin, Heaven requires perfection, or the covering blood, but what level of sin gets someone a 1000 year sentence?


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Interesting!

Does he say what the criteria for temporary Hell is?

I mean eternal Hell is just one sin, Heaven requires perfection, or the covering blood, but what level of sin gets someone a 1000 year sentence?


peace,
Simon

Basically the same criteria that causes this one to lose all rewards:

If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If anyone's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire. (1 Corinthians 3:14, 15 ESV)

And this servant who acts wickedly:


But if that wicked servant says to himself, 'My master is delayed,' and begins to beat his fellow servants and eats and drinks with drunkards, the master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know and will cut him in pieces and put him with the hypocrites. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Matthew 24:48-51 ESV)

And this one...

But his master answered him, 'You wicked and slothful servant! You knew that I reap where I have not sown and gather where I scattered no seed? ... And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.' (Matthew 25:26, 30 ESV)

You might actually get something out of that book.
 
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I know this is long, but it covers "darkness", "outer darkness" and "weeping and gnashing of teeth".

Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
Luke 13:23-28

Workers of iniquity don't make it. They don't know Him intimately.

For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath. And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Matt 25:29-30

That's one not serving God.

And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. For many are called, but few are chosen.
Matt 22:11-14

The robe of righteousness is your wedding garment. We get this by faith in the blood of Jesus and keep it by walking in His Lordship (or repenting for not doing so).

And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Matt 8:11-12

Just as this shows that children of the kingdom can go to where the gnashing of teeth is.

For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness! No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
Matt 6:21-24

If you're walking in darkness, you're serving the wrong master. We have to be single minded (eyed) for the things of the kingdom or we have an evil eye. It's either/or.


As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Matt 13:40-43

This shows that the weeping and gnashing are in the furnace of fire. The righteous are not thrown in the fire, only those who commit unrepented sin.

There is no evidence that this goes on for only a thousand years. Believers have their works judged when they die. They can be wood, hay, stubble, righteous works in the light, or evil. The great white throne judgment occurs after everything is all over and Hell is emptied and all the evil dead receive their final judgment and consignment to the lake of fire.

Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind: Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away. So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Matt 13:47-50

The wicked are not just those who are not born again. They are those who commit unrepented wicked works (or works of iniquity). The Lord holds us accountable and will judge us for our deeds. This is throughout the Word.

For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
2 Peter 2:4-6

But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Matt 24:48-51

Here's what the Word says about hypocrites. This could be any of us, so we'd better watch our hearts.

For what is the hope of the hypocrite, though he hath gained, when God taketh away his soul?
Will God hear his cry when trouble cometh upon him? Will he delight himself in the Almighty? will he always call upon God?
Job 27:8-10

Therefore the Lord shall have no joy in their young men, neither shall have mercy on their fatherless and widows: for every one is an hypocrite and an evildoer, and every mouth speaketh folly. For all this his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still. For wickedness burneth as the fire: it shall devour the briers and thorns, and shall kindle in the thickets of the forest, and they shall mount up like the lifting up of smoke. Through the wrath of the Lord of hosts is the land darkened, and the people shall be as the fuel of the fire: no man shall spare his brother.
Isaiah 9:17-19

But if they obey not, they shall perish by the sword, and they shall die without knowledge. But the hypocrites in heart heap up wrath: they cry not when he bindeth them. They die in youth, and their life is among the unclean.
Job 36:12-14

But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
Matt 23:13-15
 
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I'm not going to attempt to argue the book. He spends 300 pages making his overall case from the scriptures, then another 100 pages of directly quoting theologians through the centuries who argue the same points as he does in the book.

Besides that, it's not my place to make his case for him. If one wants to argue against the clams in the book, it would make sense to get the book and observe the arguments in their original structure and context.

I doubt anyone would agree with all his extrapolations, I know I don't, but if one is not afraid of being stretched a bit, this is a book that will get you thinking and might just upset your world a little bit.
 
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Someone recently shared a review of the book:

"THE ROD: WILL GOD SPARE IT? An Exhaustive Study of Temporary Punishment for Unfaithful Christians at the Judgment Seat and During the Millennial Kingdom" by J. D. Faust

I think it may have been Jim... he does a lot of reviews and I always read the reviews! In this case I was so attracted to the concept that I went out and bought the book for my Kindle.

I have to say that much of it makes sense, and it answers some questions about the NT warnings regarding what happens to believers who live carnal sinful lives.

I believe in "eternal security" when it comes to eternal life. "Millennial Exclusion" is a teaching that says as a believer you indeed possess eternal life, but you may suffer exclusion from the millennial kingdom if you are not an "overcomer" (see the letters to the 7 churches in Revelation) in this life. Essentially you will be raised from the dead at the "rapture" and judged at the "judgment seat of Christ" (The "Bema Seat"). I think most of us assume that to be a judgment for rewards, not punishment. Faust makes a convincing case that if you have lived a carnal life and have not repented, you may find yourself in literal hell during the 1000 years of Christ's reign. As I said, you would be raptured, appear before the Judgment seat of Christ, and if you are judged unworthy, you will actually be slayed, touched by the second death, and sent into outer darkness. You would then be raised up again at the end of the 1000 years and enter eternal life. The book is much more detailed in this.

I have not bought into this on a mental level, but I have to say I have some very strong spiritual assurances about this. The bell is ringing. This is a bit odd for me because I have been a Bible student and teacher for over 40 years and I have never really seen this in the light it is being presented. I do not pretend to know "everything" but something this significant... you would think I would have at least received a hit.

Thoughts?

I will share more if you like.

I have taught on the 7 letters in Revelation for years. I have not read the book you are talking about though.

I understand the differing levels of rewards but as I see it, the outer darkness isn't hell but the farthest from the throne of glory within the kingdom. Basically I call that the heavenly ghetto, those consigned to outside the walls or the outer wall apartments. Those that are reward poor, spiritually blind and lacking robes of righteousness, ie naked.

We must overcome the first two problems or risk the 2nd death. IMO that is referring to people that are relying on religious tradition instead of an actual personal relationship with Yeshua. For example, trying to gain salvation via works.

Rev 2&3 is a maturity scale with a list of problems to overcome. Any individual christian can be at the level of any of those 'churches'. Also denomination, congregations are also suck in those problems and it is up to the individual believer to overcome the primary problem of the congregation they are within.

For example the Philidelphian church has good doctrine and good works but 'has little power'. They don't operate in the gifts of power that are available in the treasure room of Yah locked by the 'key of David'.

The Laodecian church is operating in the power of Yah but using it for personal gain instead of for the kingdom under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. An example of this IMO would be like the modern prosperity doctrines. They use the Word to bring personal blessings but not to further the kingdom.
 
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I have taught on the 7 letters in Revelation for years. I have not read the book you are talking about though.

I understand the differing levels of rewards but as I see it, the outer darkness isn't hell but the farthest from the throne of glory within the kingdom. Basically I call that the heavenly ghetto, those consigned to outside the walls or the outer wall apartments. Those that are reward poor, spiritually blind and lacking robes of righteousness, ie naked.

We must overcome the first two problems or risk the 2nd death. IMO that is referring to people that are relying on religious tradition instead of an actual personal relationship with Yeshua. For example, trying to gain salvation via works.

Rev 2&3 is a maturity scale with a list of problems to overcome. Any individual christian can be at the level of any of those 'churches'. Also denomination, congregations are also suck in those problems and it is up to the individual believer to overcome the primary problem of the congregation they are within.

For example the Philidelphian church has good doctrine and good works but 'has little power'. They don't operate in the gifts of power that are available in the treasure room of Yah locked by the 'key of David'.

The Laodecian church is operating in the power of Yah but using it for personal gain instead of for the kingdom under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. An example of this IMO would be like the modern prosperity doctrines. They use the Word to bring personal blessings but not to further the kingdom.

That sounds a lot like the conclusions of a similar book that Nancy Missler wrote, called "The Kingdom Power & Glory".

It's another book on the Kingdom of God, the Judgment Seat of Christ, and the Sabbath rest that Hebrews 3 and 4 tells us still awaits the faithful believers as we must actually make effort to enter that rest, and not a "given" at salvation. (Heb 4:11)

It's the same general thrust as "The Rod", using essentially the same passages and arguments, but arriving at some differing conclusions.

Personally, I'm trying to free up some funds to get a definitive work in this area, a 3-volume set by George Peters called "The Theocratic Kingdom", but the cheapest I've found if for is $80, and I just can't justify buying books at that price at this particular point in time.
 
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I have taught on the 7 letters in Revelation for years. I have not read the book you are talking about though.

I understand the differing levels of rewards but as I see it, the outer darkness isn't hell but the farthest from the throne of glory within the kingdom. Basically I call that the heavenly ghetto, those consigned to outside the walls or the outer wall apartments. Those that are reward poor, spiritually blind and lacking robes of righteousness, ie naked.

We must overcome the first two problems or risk the 2nd death. IMO that is referring to people that are relying on religious tradition instead of an actual personal relationship with Yeshua. For example, trying to gain salvation via works.

Rev 2&3 is a maturity scale with a list of problems to overcome. Any individual christian can be at the level of any of those 'churches'. Also denomination, congregations are also suck in those problems and it is up to the individual believer to overcome the primary problem of the congregation they are within.

For example the Philidelphian church has good doctrine and good works but 'has little power'. They don't operate in the gifts of power that are available in the treasure room of Yah locked by the 'key of David'.

The Laodecian church is operating in the power of Yah but using it for personal gain instead of for the kingdom under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. An example of this IMO would be like the modern prosperity doctrines. They use the Word to bring personal blessings but not to further the kingdom.
Just out of curiosity, where did you teach? Thank you.
 
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That sounds a lot like the conclusions of a similar book that Nancy Missler wrote, called "The Kingdom Power & Glory".

It's another book on the Kingdom of God, the Judgment Seat of Christ, and the Sabbath rest that Hebrews 3 and 4 tells us still awaits the faithful believers as we must actually make effort to enter that rest, and not a "given" at salvation. (Heb 4:11)

It's the same general thrust as "The Rod", using essentially the same passages and arguments, but arriving at some differing conclusions.

Personally, I'm trying to free up some funds to get a definitive work in this area, a 3-volume set by George Peters called "The Theocratic Kingdom", but the cheapest I've found if for is $80, and I just can't justify buying books at that price at this particular point in time.

The 7 letters are covered in my mother's book. It is a lot cheaper then that.
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She also has a booklet that only covers the 7 letters. I may be able to get a pdf copy of it.
 
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Just out of curiosity, where did you teach? Thank you.
Most recently within threads on this forum. I have considered doing another 7 letters thread on this forum. I had a long running thread on the 7 letters on another forum that no longer exists. I would have to type all the material again.

The last time I taught it from a pulpit was at Bible college about 4 years ago and at a bible study at a Messianic church about the same time.

Why do you ask?
 
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Basically the same criteria that causes this one to lose all rewards:

If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If anyone's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire. (1 Corinthians 3:14, 15 ESV)

And this servant who acts wickedly:


But if that wicked servant says to himself, 'My master is delayed,' and begins to beat his fellow servants and eats and drinks with drunkards, the master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know and will cut him in pieces and put him with the hypocrites. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Matthew 24:48-51 ESV)

And this one...

But his master answered him, 'You wicked and slothful servant! You knew that I reap where I have not sown and gather where I scattered no seed? ... And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.' (Matthew 25:26, 30 ESV)

You might actually get something out of that book.


I know you don't agree with 'The Rod' Faulty, so I'm not asking you to defend it, but I will point out a few things if anyone wants to explain how the book addresses them.

Losing rewards is different from 1000 years in Hell. If someone has misguided or selfish 'good works' it makes sense that those works won't be rewarded. But that passage (1 Cor 3) has no mention of punishment in Hell.

There's a difference between 'a servant who acts wickedly', and a "wicked servant".
I don't think the wicked servant was a 'true servant' in the first place.

What of the criminal on the cross? It appears that his only fruit was to fear God and defend Christ to the other criminal, and yet he was told: "Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise."
No 1000 year sentence to Hell for the criminal!



peace,
Simon
 
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Note in all of these Faust defines "the kingdom" as the millenium. Faust believes in eternal security and therefore deems that none of these would refer to etenal life.


Romans 14:
10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall ALL stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

Luke 12:
41 Peter said, Lord, are You addressing this parable to us, or to everyone else as well?”
42 And the Lord said, Who then is the faithful and sensible steward, whom his master will put in charge of his servants, to give them their rations at the proper time?
43 Blessed is that slave whom his master finds so doing when he comes.
44 Truly I say to you that he will put him in charge of all his possessions.
45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;
46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
47 And that slave who knew his master’s will and did not get ready or act in accord with his will, will receive many lashes,
48 but the one who did not know it, and committed deeds worthy of a flogging, will receive but few. From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more.


1 Corinthians 9:
24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.
25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.
26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Philippians 3:
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

2 Corinthians 5:
9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we MAY be ACCEPTED of him.
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or BAD.
11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men;

Colossians 3:
23 And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men;
24 Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ.
25 But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons.

Galatians 5:
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 3:
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

1 Corinthians 3:
16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

1 Corinthians 11:
29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
33 Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another.

Romans 11:
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.


Hebrews 10:
30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

James 5
9 Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door.
10 Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.


1 Thessalonians 4:
6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned YOU and testified.

Ephesians 5:
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.

2 Thessalonians 1:
5…that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:

2 Timothy 2:
12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Romans 8:
17…and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Revelation 3:
21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Galatians 5:
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Matthew 5:
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 7:
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 18:
1 At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?
2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 19:
23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Matthew 25:
1 Then the kingdom of heaven will be comparable to ten virgins, who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom.
2 Five of them were foolish, and five were prudent.
3 For when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil with them,
4but the prudent took oil in flasks along with their lamps.
5 Now while the bridegroom was delaying, they all got drowsy and began to sleep.
6 But at midnight there was a shout, ‘Behold, the bridegroom! Come out to meet him.’
7 Then all those virgins rose and trimmed their lamps.
8 The foolish said to the prudent, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’
9 But the prudent answered, ‘No, there will not be enough for us and you too; go instead to the dealers and buy some for yourselves.’
10 And while they were going away to make the purchase, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding feast; and the door was shut.
11 Later the other virgins also came, saying, ‘Lord, lord, open up for us.’ 12 But he answered, ‘Truly I say to you, I do not know you.’
13 Be on the alert then, for you do not know the day nor the hour.

Matthew 25:
14 For it is just like a man about to go on a journey, who called his own slaves and entrusted his possessions to them.
15 To one he gave five talents, to another, two, and to another, one, each according to his own ability; and he went on his journey.
16 Immediately the one who had received the five talents went and traded with them, and gained five more talents.
17 In the same manner the one who had received the two talents gained two more.
18 But he who received the one talent went away, and dug a hole in the ground and hid his master’s money.
19 Now after a long time the master of those slaves came and settled accounts with them.
20 The one who had received the five talents came up and brought five more talents, saying, ‘Master, you entrusted five talents to me. See, I have gained five more talents.’
21 His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful slave. You were faithful with a few things, I will put you in charge of many things; enter into the joy of your master.’
22 Also the one who had received the two talents came up and said, ‘Master, you entrusted two talents to me. See, I have gained two more talents.’
23 His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful slave. You were faithful with a few things, I will put you in charge of many things; enter into the joy of your master.’
24 And the one also who had received the one talent came up and said, ‘Master, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you did not sow and gathering where you scattered no seed.
25‘And I was afraid, and went away and hid your talent in the ground. See, you have what is yours.’
26 But his master answered and said to him, ‘You wicked, lazy slave, you knew that I reap where I did not sow and gather where I scattered no seed.
27‘Then you ought to have put my money in the bank, and on my arrival I would have received my money back with interest.
28‘Therefore take away the talent from him, and give it to the one who has the ten talents.’
29 For to everyone who has, more shall be given, and he will have an abundance; but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away.
30 Throw out the worthless slave into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Luke 13:
23 And someone said to Him, Lord, are there just a few who are being saved?” And He said to them,
24 Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
25 Once the head of the house gets up and shuts the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock on the door, saying, ‘Lord, open up to us!’ then He will answer and say to you, ‘I do not know where you are from.’
26 Then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets’;
27 and He will say, ‘I tell you, I do not know where you are from; depart from me, all ye evildoers.’
28 In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but yourselves being thrown out.

Acts 14:
21 And when they had preached the gospel to that city, and had taught many, they returned again to Lystra, and to Iconium, and Antioch,
22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

2 Thessalonians 1:
4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:
5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:

1 Corinthians 6:
8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Galatians 5:
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Ephesians 5:
3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.

Hebrews 4:
11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Hebrews 12:
14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
 
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1 Corinthians 6:
8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

It is my understanding that these words are referring back to the unbelievers to whom the believers where going go find justice. A fuller reading of the passage I think better establishes the context:

1 Corin 6:
6 But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.
7 Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?
8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Verse 11 establishes that verses 9-10 no longer describe the believers to whom Paul is writing, only to say that they were once included.
Again, I believe these verses actually refer back to the unconverted "unrighteous" from whom they were seeking justice.
 
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"Many are called -few are chosen "
I believe those "chosen" are those Jesus appoints (based on what they have already done on earth) to rule and reign with Him. IMHO this does not mean that those believers not chosen will endue some type of persecution or penalty for 1000 years This sounds to me like a doctrine that rejects the true character of God -namely His grace and mercy
 
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"Many are called -few are chosen "
I believe those "chosen" are those Jesus appoints (based on what they have already done on earth) to rule and reign with Him. IMHO this does not mean that those believers not chosen will endue some type of persecution or penalty for 1000 years This sounds to me like a doctrine that rejects the true character of God -namely His grace and mercy
I understand what you as saying TSG.
Faust counters this, especially to those who reject eternal security, by saying:
"God is willing to send his backsliden children to hell for eternity, why would he not sent them there for a mere 1000 years?"

But your point is well taken.
 
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I can see why this teaching would be adopted by some who believe in eternal security. It resolves several problematic scriptures that lean against ES. The teaching also would open the door to eternal salvation, while introducing terrible punishment for the Christian that goes on sinning. The sinning believer does not "get away with it" and the overcomer is awarded something for their efforts.
 
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