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Military rape victims speak out

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WASHINGTON (WUSA9) - Sexual assaults allegedly committed by high-profile people have made headlines in recent weeks.

They even spawned the “Me too” movement around the world.

Between 2007 and 2016, the Department of Defense collected more than 6,000 reports of sexual assault and sustained harassment.

Three women who served our country in the military are coming forward to share their accounts of being raped. All of them joined the military after 9-11.

They were prepared to lay their lives on the line for this country. What they never anticipated was that their careers would be derailed after they say, they were raped.

"I said no like 20 times. And he just didn’t stop," said 'Lily.'

She served in the Marines from 2008 to 2012 and says she was raped by a fellow Marine.

'I said no 20 times', military rape victims speak out
 
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WASHINGTON (WUSA9) - Sexual assaults allegedly committed by high-profile people have made headlines in recent weeks.

They even spawned the “Me too” movement around the world.

Between 2007 and 2016, the Department of Defense collected more than 6,000 reports of sexual assault and sustained harassment.

Three women who served our country in the military are coming forward to share their accounts of being raped. All of them joined the military after 9-11.

They were prepared to lay their lives on the line for this country. What they never anticipated was that their careers would be derailed after they say, they were raped.

"I said no like 20 times. And he just didn’t stop," said 'Lily.'

She served in the Marines from 2008 to 2012 and says she was raped by a fellow Marine.

'I said no 20 times', military rape victims speak out
"I was threatened directly with my career," Danique remembered. "They would end my career. They would make my life a living hell." If people are not willing to take a stand for what they believe then there is going to be a price to pay. Either way there is a price to pay. Whatever choice they make. We all have to make our choices in life. That is just the way life is. Our responsibility is to make the right choice. This is all a part of what it means to have free will.

I decided not to go to Viet Nam. I made that choice and I have to deal with the consequences of the choice I made. I have a lot of friends that decided to go to Viet Nam. They made that choice and they have to deal with the consequences of the choice they made. Some people if they had to do it over again they would make a different choice. For others they would make the same choice. There is nothing people can do to change the fact that we have to make choices in life. That is all a part of what it means to be free and to have free will.

Good we have a God that is ready, able and willing to comfort people and give them peace and healing in their time of need. He can go into our past and bring about the healing we need from the trials and tribulations we have gone through. Even He can redeem and restore us to His plan and purpose.

This does not even get into the concept of women warriors or the warrior goddess. Because that really is not the subject of this thread. Still these are expressions of feminism today. These are the struggles that women can expect if they want to try to assume traditionally male roles. They like to say that the glass ceiling has still not been shattered.
 
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WASHINGTON (WUSA9) - Sexual assaults allegedly committed by high-profile people have made headlines in recent weeks.



Between 2007 and 2016, the Department of Defense collected more than 6,000 reports of sexual assault and sustained harassment.

Three women who served our country in the military are coming forward to share their accounts of being raped. All of them joined the military after 9-11.

They were prepared to lay their lives on the line for this country. What they never anticipated was that their careers would be derailed after they say, they were raped.

"I said no like 20 times. And he just didn’t stop," said 'Lily.'

She served in the Marines from 2008 to 2012 and says she was raped by a fellow Marine.

'I said no 20 times', military rape victims speak out
This is sad and it is wrong for the males soldiers to do what they did to these women. Women have always helped our military in the past, but they were separated from the men working as clerks or something like that. It is wrong for women to train as combat soldiers. Feminism is a cancer on a healthy society.
 
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This is sad and it is wrong for the males soldiers to do what they did to these women. Women have always helped our military in the past, but they were separated from the men working as clerks or something like that. It is wrong for women to train as combat soldiers. Feminism is a cancer on a healthy society.
Allow me to Echo your post - you moved very quickly from "its sad" to suddenly being the fault of a system that allowed women to be combat soldiers - wait no....not the system - feminism.

I'd ask you put your last unfounded bit aside and stick with the first thing you said. Her comrade in arms - a marine - someone who was supposed to stick by their fellow marine come-what-may, abandoned the honor of his battalion and the honor of being called a marine and raped his comrade in arms. He is a disgrace. He is dishonorable. I'd ask you stop coloring this as some feminist rant and return to the facts. This marine raped. And in the military in the USA AND Australia - soldiers far too frequently commit this crime against their comrades - and not just women I might add. Now these are the facts. Your last part was unfounded conjecture - and as for whats a cancer - its men who commit violence against women - Theres your cancer
 
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It is not going to do anyone any good to cry about it and complain that they were in that situation and they were forced to make that choice. Their responsibility is to make the right choice in that situation.

Wow, way to blame the victim.

Maybe "crying about it now" can't fix anything for them individually, but it certainly can pressure military and civilian leadership to do more to change the culture in the military such that future victims won't be put in the position to make that choice in the first place.
 
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Wow, way to blame the victim.

Maybe "crying about it now" can't fix anything for them individually, but it certainly can pressure military and civilian leadership to do more to change the culture in the military such that future victims won't be put in the position to make that choice in the first place.
That is the plan to put pressure on the commanders so they do not do this sort of stuff. Still women should know if they want to be a warrior princess then they need to be prepared to fight a war. It is a risk they take when they sign up. People that have military jobs are set for life though. They get out and have a nice gov job waiting for them.
 
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This is sad and it is wrong for the males soldiers to do what they did to these women. Women have always helped our military in the past, but they were separated from the men working as clerks or something like that. It is wrong for women to train as combat soldiers. Feminism is a cancer on a healthy society.

you start off by saying that what the male soldiers did was bad but ultimately you blame the women who were raped.
classy.
 
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Allow me to Echo your post - you moved very quickly from "its sad" to suddenly being the fault of a system that allowed women to be combat soldiers - wait no....not the system - feminism.

I'd ask you put your last unfounded bit aside and stick with the first thing you said. Her comrade in arms - a marine - someone who was supposed to stick by their fellow marine come-what-may, abandoned the honor of his battalion and the honor of being called a marine and raped his comrade in arms. He is a disgrace. He is dishonorable. I'd ask you stop coloring this as some feminist rant and return to the facts. This marine raped. And in the military in the USA AND Australia - soldiers far too frequently commit this crime against their comrades - and not just women I might add. Now these are the facts. Your last part was unfounded conjecture - and as for whats a cancer - its men who commit violence against women - Theres your cancer

I agree that the wickedness of the male soldiers is deplorable, and I see your point in that it seems like my intention was to slam feminism through a round about way. I apologize for not being simple and direct.

I am against women in the military as combat soldiers. That is simple and direct. Feminism is an assault of Zionist cultural communism against European-American Christianity. Maternity is the gift of God for women but the fiat inflatable currency that the international bankers swindled our nation with makes a single revenue from the man next to impossible to live by, so mothers have been forced into the working world. And yes, much of that force has come from unfaithful fathers who break up the marriages forcing the single mother to work, too. But the brainwashing is now at a point where little girls don't think about being mothers but what kind of career they should have when they grow up.

There is no excuse for any man raping any woman. Period. Whether in the military or at home in a marriage. Both men and women in our societies are greatly confused and self absorbed. Nor has organized religion done much to hold up the biblical standard of life and marriage. Thank God for those ministries and men and women who do speak out, but they are precious few and most Christians today swallow the Satanic lies hook line and sinker.
 
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you start off by saying that what the male soldiers did was bad but ultimately you blame the women who were raped.
classy.
As I said to Zoi, I apologize for the way that came out. I do not blame the women who were raped. But I don't believe women belong in the combat part of the military. What do you think the military is? It is a system of dehumanizing men so they can kill other people simply by command. Soldiers develop a huge cognitive dissonance between the atrocities they commit in warfare and the their personal conscience of right and wrong. Read about warfare and the rape of women by soldiers in war is considered profitable to the combat objective moral disillusionment of "enemy" nations. Soldiers stop seeing people as humans but as military objectives. It is utter folly for women to be in the military.
 
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Rape is a horrible crime and those who commit it should go to prison. However, the inference the US Military if rife with sexual predators is a charge in the same category as the claim the US Military is a racist organization. It is a charge motivated by politics, and thus never to be blindly accepted.

As is usual when a news outlet takes aim at the military, there are a number of flaws in the reporting. From the OP article, quote:

"Between 2007 and 2016, the Department of Defense collected more than 6,000 reports of sexual assault and sustained harassment."

However if you read the actual DoD report you find this, quote from page 20:

"Of the 5,350 Service members making a report in FY16, 556 reports involved incidents that occurred before the member entered military service."

The WUSA article does not make that distinction. Why should the military have its reputation tarnished as a result of sexual assault or harassment incidents which took place outside of the military? To advance the narrative, of course.

In addition the DoD report uses the actual number of reported incidents to extrapolate that if X number of reports were made, then the actual number of sexual assaults were actually Y.

A chart found on page 12 of the report cites these numbers for FY 2016, quote:

Estimated Number of Service Member Victims: (about) 14,900 (of which)
32 percent of those victims reported the incident while 68 percent did not report the incident.


The logical question. If 68 percent of victims did not report the incident which rendered them a victim, how does anyone know the incident actually took place? What methodology is the DOD using to extrapolate the problem of sexual assault in the military is far worse than the provable numbers demand?

Within the same chart it is reported 27 percent of those who reported some form of incident:

"Experienced behavior, but was not consistent with circumstances that military law prohibits."

What does that even mean? Ok, never mind, I know exactly what that means. It means the incidents of sexual assault and harassment are so nebulously defined as to include everything from "he looked at me funny" to actual rape.

Spare me the standard response. AlexDTX makes a valid point. Shoving men and women together for combat training is a recipe for disaster. I was fortunate in that when I went through Basic, AIT, and Ranger School integrated training had not yet been implemented, but in subsequent years I had to work with female trainees. It is nightmare, because each and every phase of training must be implemented with the goal of insuring no event can possibly occur for which a female trainee can subsequently claim sexual assault.

The perfect example of this is training to assist wounded soldiers. One of the training demands, at least when I went through, was the requirement to, while wearing full combat gear to include accounting for your weapon, pick up a fellow soldier, drape them over your shoulders, and carry them fifty yards. When working with female soldiers an inherent and unnecessary element of danger has been introduced, the fact that somewhere during the process of picking a woman up and draping her over your shoulders, your hand may slip and contact some part of her body you otherwise wouldn't come in contact with. This is an actual concern, and NCO's actually brief the little darlings concerning this potential prior to them being the object to be carried, that such incidental contact is not designed but an inherent part of actual combat which falls under the umbrella of "who gives a ...."

I guarantee you if in combat a female soldier takes a bullet to the hip her first thought isn't going to be "the guy carrying off the battlefield better not touch my butt!" But in training such an incident winds up on a DoD report designated "not consistent with circumstances that military law prohibits."

From page 27 of the report, quote:

"Men are far more likely to characterize the one sexual assault situation that had the largest effect on them, henceforth referred to as the “one situation,” as hazing or bullying than are women. More specifically, 27 percent of men who indicated experiencing sexual assault characterized the one situation as hazing compared to only 9 percent of women, and 39 percent of men who indicated experiencing sexual assault characterized the one situation as bullying compared to 24 percent of women."

I was hoping to find a detailed configuration listing the forms the reported incidents took, as in percent of groping incidents as opposed to percent of a snide or insensitive comment. At one time in my career I worked with and was attached to the 20th Special Forces Group, and we were engaged in prep cycles for a deployment. The group had a few women attached to the HQ element who were also present. Special Forces operators, to include Rangers, are not typically known for being politically correct. During a briefing concerning how women were typically treated by members of the Taliban, one of the operators made a comment about which part of the enemies anatomy he would shoot off. At that time the females present just nodded their heads and moved on. Today that comment would, in all probability, be reported as sexual assault or harassment. Sometimes this harassment crap gets carried too far, and I found the DoD report deficient in that it failed to differentiate between types of incidents. Seriously, what these people are reporting is an important factor, but the DoD report leaves the reader guessing.

This pattern continues. From page 15 of the report, quote:

"Five percent of active duty Service members indicated in the 2016 WGRA that they identify as either lesbian, gay, bisexual,and/or transgender. Survey findings show that Service members identifying as LGBT are statistically more likely to indicate experiencing sexual assault than members who do not identify as LGBT. The overall sexual assault estimated prevalence rate for active duty members identifying as LGBT is 4.5 percent, compared to 0.8 percent for those who do not identify as LGBT. An estimated 6.3 percent of women who identify as LGBT and 3.5 percent of men who identify as LGBT indicated experiencing sexual assault in 2016, compared to 3.5 percent and 0.3 percent of those who do not identify as LGBT, respectively."

However again the DoD report does not specify by percentage who is committing the acts which are being reported. In other words, we are left to guess. Are those conducting the "assaults" other LGBT soldiers, are all they all evil white men. The default assumption we are supposed to embrace is, due to the political agenda inherent in this issue, is the latter.

I find it interesting the WUSA article did not include the women's last name. If they had, we could run a search of the criminal data base and see if their cases ever made it to trial, and if so the result of that trial.

Military Charges More Men with Bogus Rape Claims to Show it Takes Sexual Assault Seriously

WASHINGTON — By the time Marine Staff Sgt. Jamie Walton went to trial on rape charges, his accuser had changed her story several times.

A military lawyer who evaluated the case told Walton’s commander they didn’t have enough evidence to go to trial on sexual assault charges. The prosecutor even agreed. But the Marines ignored the advice.

“Everyone knew I didn’t rape her,” said Walton, who was acquitted of the charge last year. “But they went ahead with the trial anyway.”

Walton’s questionable prosecution clashes with the public’s perception of a soft-on-rape military. A McClatchy Newspapers analysis found that the military is prosecuting a growing number of rape and sexual assault allegations, including highly contested cases that would be unlikely to go to trial in many civilian courts.

However, most of the accused aren’t being convicted of serious crimes.

Such results are provoking cynicism within the armed forces that the politics of rape are tainting a military justice system that’s as old as the country itself.


Politics infects all issues in today's world, including this one.

You start off by saying that what the male soldiers did was bad but ultimately you blame the women who were raped.

He did no such thing.
 
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Feminism is a cancer on a healthy society.
The warrior goddess goes back a long way. Ishtar for example was an important deity in Mesopotamian religion from around 3500 BCE. Feminism has many faces and has been around for a very long time if not from the beginning.
 
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Seriously what kind of human being can think like that?
I learned to be prepared as a boy scout. "At least 25% of U.S. military women report having been sexually assaulted," (Wiki) That may not be that much higher than non military but it is high and women should be aware of what they are getting themselves into. If they are trained and prepared then maybe they will be ready to handle the situation when they are confronted. Perhaps it should be a part of their basic training to be prepared for something like that.
 
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I learned to be prepared as a boy scout. "At least 25% of U.S. military women report having been sexually assaulted," (Wiki) That may not be that much higher than non military but it is high and women should be aware of what they are getting themselves into. If they are trained and prepared then maybe they will be ready to handle the situation when they are confronted. Perhaps it should be a part of their basic training to be prepared for something like that.

Boy scouts prepared you for the threat of rape?
 
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Still women should know if they want to be a warrior princess they may get raped. It is a risk they take when they sign up.
You are advocating a criminal act and placing the blame back on the victim for simply being sucessful when she applied for the job. A woman who signs up for a soldier, engineer, scientist, lawyer... isnt signing up for rape in the work place.

I see we still haven't rooted out the attitude within our churches that rape and sexual abuse is OK. It shouldnt be excused, hidden or diminished

I'm guessing when you call a tradesman to your house and it turns out to be a woman, you will rape her.... after all she'd have to expect it when she signed up for a man's job
 
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You are advocating a criminal act and placing the blame back on the victim
I am not advocating anything and I am not placing the blame on anyone. You are falsely accusing me and that is a violation of one of the ten commandments. If I were to blame anything it would be our hormones both male and female hormones. Estrogen, testosterone and even hormones like oxytocin.

The Bible says if we live like an animal we will perish like the animals. 2Peter 2:12 "They are like unreasoning animals, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like animals they too will perish."

We are to live in the spirit and not in the flesh. Galatians 5:16 "So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh."
 
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I'm guessing when you call a tradesman to your house and it turns out to be a woman, you will rape her.... after all she'd have to expect it when she signed up for a man's job

That was way out of line.
 
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Boy scouts prepared you for the threat of rape?
Women should be prepared to defend themselves. Esp warrior women that are in training to learn how to fight a war. Of course as christians we know how to fight a spiritual battle. We fight not against flesh and blood: Eph6:12 "For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms." Do you understand what this means? Do you understand the spiritual battle we are to fight?

When you're in the army they teach you about venereal disease. They teach you if you get a disease then go to a doctor and get some penicillin. Don't let someone pump you full of brylcreem because that is not going to cure anyone. Perhaps they should train women what to do if a commanding officer wants to proposition them. They should have procedures in place for dealing with that. So if they are caught in a situation like that then they can be trained for it and know how to respond.

Have you ever been through basic training? Have you ever been trained how to fight in a war? If someone came at you with a knife would you be able to take it away from them?
 
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