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MIL v. Tithing

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I am grappling with a bunch of questions: is tithing giving to your church, or kind of giving 10% to any Christian ministry? How does someone know they are really being called by God to do something? Am I being really selfish?

Let me explain. My mother-in-law believes that she is called by God to volunteer at a Christian mission. They do not pay her. Indeed, she asked if she could have this position; she invented it. She acts as a cook for visiting guests. She is in her late 40s, the single parent of a school aged child. She has no money and no assets. They both live off the donated food (mainly starches and expired sauces) at the mission, their clothing is humanitarian aid and they live at the mission. They don't have money to buy the child school supplies, toys, bus fare or medical treatment (although they'd turn it down anyway, prefering prayer). We are not in the US, so there is no 'child welfare service' to turn to; it's a poor country. there are people worse off.

The thing is, whenever my husband sees her she says, "oh, thank God! I was praying for some money. Let me have (the equivalent of a dollar). Thank you Jesus." Her daughter usually asks us for money for candy. We are not giving them much, but I am starting to resent the fact that a woman who could work (not earning much, but enough to support herself and her daughter) chooses not to. She only has a few years of working life left. I feel that she is living in some dream world where currency doesn't exist. It doesn't make any sense to me.

My husband and I talked about, rather than tithing to our church, giving her our 10%. It would be about the same as she would stand to earn as a salary anyway. I am again struggling with the notion that we are encouraging her in this lifestyle. She is chronically late and disorganized, with no particular qualifications, and I wonder if she could even keep a "real" job. I feel like she is just avoiding work, taking the easy way out. I heard about a job last week at a different Christian ministry (paid, even) and told her about it. She wouldn't even go in for the interview. That angered me.

(My husband agrees to a certain extent, although he believes she is doing God's work, so what she is doing is ok...it is giving him a great deal of grief that his mother and sister look so dirty and poor and he is concerned about their future.) I feel worse for his little sister than I do for his mother...but then again, we've got our own family to take care of and I tend to look at it (perhaps from a north american, materialistic view point?) that she is an adult, she is making her own choices, and that is her child and responsibility, not ours.

Does anyone have any wisdom and in particular advice for the questions I mentioned at the top? :prayer:
 

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"oh, thank God! I was praying for some money. Let me have (the equivalent of a dollar). Thank you Jesus."

That just screams "I am manipulating the people around me with my faith". I would probably not give someone who exhibited such an attitude a whole lot of monetary support. I would suggest that she look for guidance from those around her as to what jobs they need done, instead of declaring what jobs she's willing to do.
 
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My choice would be to give the 10% you tithe, NOT to the mother, but to the child. Not directly, but put it in the bank for her. If she needs clothing, or medical care, the money will be available.

I don't know what country you live in, but are there child welfare agencies where you are, who could look into this situation? Is there someone at the mission you can speak to about your concerns? Is there anyone at the mission who is seeing what is going on????? Your mother-in-law has made her choice, and she is an adult, so there isn't much you can do about that--but the child is trapped. She has no choice in how she is living, and it can't be good for her.
 
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Thanks for your messages. Another Christian friend of mine said that her exclamations of having prayed for money ("Give me a dollar, I've been praying for it. Thank you Jesus for the dollar I asked you for!") somehow indicate a lack of faith. I don't really see that, but it does somehow put me off that she's making my husband give her a couple bucks and then trying to pass it off as normal b/c she'd prayed for it.

The second suggestion -- putting the 10% in the bank for the daughter, is a wonderful suggestion. But is that really tithing? I mean, is that kosher to just decide not to tithe to church, but to give it to a person?

Unfortunately, there are so many kids in this country that are far worse off that she wouldn't even make the radar screen of children in danger. She's got a warm place to sleep and a mom who loves her -- that puts her in a better place than many. The guy that runs the mission obviously does not care about them much, or he'd offer them some support.
 
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I think it's a bit of a lack of faith. If you have to prompt people to respond to your prayers, then you're sort of assuming that God won't actually deal with your request Himself, so why are you calling it a prayer?

As to tithing, there's been no formal obligation to tithe since we stopped being Jews who had a central government and welfare system administered from the temple, and a special tribe who owned no land and maintained the temple for us.

What we are called to is charity, which may be more or less than 10%, depending on our own circumstances, and may or may not go to any recognized church or charity. C. S. Lewis, I think, had it right; charitable giving should be enough that it hurts a bit, and that you'd prefer to keep the money for yourself. It shouldn't mean you're starving, though.
 
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Really? We go to a Pentacostal church and they teach that you have to tithe 10%, and that what you tithe to the church you will be blessed back many times more in return. There is one woman in our church who gives people money whenever they have a birthday in the faith that God will give her a whole bunch of money at some point. She got up at church last week and said that God had blessed her with a $1400 bathtub that her son gave her.

Anyway, at wit's end with MIL -- she used to work as a real estate agent. Someone in our church offered her to sell his apartment (she could've made maybe $1,000 -- not bad) and she turned it down. She said she's too busy at the mission to run around putting ads in all the papers and making phone calls. She really seems to think she lives in a world where currency does not exist.
 
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Zoya said:
Really? We go to a Pentacostal church and they teach that you have to tithe 10%, and that what you tithe to the church you will be blessed back many times more in return.

A detailed discussion of this would do better in other fora. To make a long story short, the Bible really doesn't seem to say that. There are a lot of churches which are very aggressive in collecting tithes, and a lot of pastors who are incredibly wealthy. Most churches don't require any tithe at all, and ask for a smaller tithe than that.

Anyway, at wit's end with MIL -- she used to work as a real estate agent. Someone in our church offered her to sell his apartment (she could've made maybe $1,000 -- not bad) and she turned it down. She said she's too busy at the mission to run around putting ads in all the papers and making phone calls. She really seems to think she lives in a world where currency does not exist.

Sounds very familiar. Sometimes, people think that just because you've declared yourself to have a calling, everyone else is obliged to support you.

So far as I can tell, if you're really called, the support just sort of materializes, without any need for guilt trips and speeches. Or, you work for it, like a normal person. :)
 
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I believe that we should tithe and I also believe that this should be to your church, not elsewhere. If you choose to give to other causes then this should be part of your offering (additional), as opposed to the tithe.

If your MIL is called to be in this role and she is called by God then He will provide, the people I know in this situation have either got regular support partners, which they sort before they take the position, or they live by faith and God provides day to day.... none of them use words such as your MIL uses to you, that does not sound like faith or like it's from God.

You really need to pray about this, do not give just because she is family. If she is not in the will of God you will not be helping her by perpetuating her position.

Seek the Lord about it and see whether He wants you to give or not, and then if you do decide to perhaps look at providing with the condition that it is for the child. Another idea is to buy clothing or books for the child instead of giving money.
 
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