Mid-Acts Bible

[JM]

Does anyone know what's going on with it?

 

[s0journ3r]

Does anyone know what's going on with it?

There's a Mid-Acts Bible?

Yours truly in Christ,
sojourner

 

[yeshuasavedme]

There's a Mid-Acts Bible?

Yours truly in Christ,
sojourner

Doesn't everyone who has private interpretations have to make their own bible up -not to make Scripture plain, but to promote their own private interpretations?

 

[s0journ3r]

Doesn't everyone who has private interpretations have to make their own bible up -not to make Scripture plain, but to promote their own private interpretations?

My thoughts exactly. The Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Sacred Name advocates, and now Mid-Acts Dispensationalists. People should learn to treat the Word of God with reverence instead of corrupting the Word of God by making it conform to their unbiblical teachings.

God will hold these people accountable. And I surely wouldn't want to be in their shoes when He does.

Yours truly in Christ,
sojourner

 

[JM]

It's a MAD "Study" Bible, not a new translation. I'm interested in seeing how Calvinism and MAD work together.

 

[s0journ3r]

It's a MAD "Study" Bible, not a new translation. I'm interested in seeing how Calvinism and MAD work together.

Aha! A study Bible. I gotcha. Thanks for the clarification. Who is putting it out?

Yours truly in Christ,
sojourner

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Aha! A study Bible. I gotcha. Thanks for the clarification. Who is putting it out?

Yours truly in Christ,
sojourner

But in the course of saying it is a study Bible they will not be able to leave the Word alone, but will put their own private interpretations into it as if it is what the Holy Spirit meant.
If they wanted to make a MAD doctrine commentary on the Scriptures, that would be one thing, but they are rewriting the Scrptures to fit their own private interpretation, which is what the Watchtower has done.

 

[biblebeliever123]

Don't make more out of this than what it is....which is...one man doing a study Bible. I know of NO MID ACTS STUDY BIBLE AVAILABLE and I don't know of anyone who uses anything remotely resembling a Bible that could be called 'mid acts'. I myself use the KJV and all of the mid acts people that I know either use that or other translations, but no one is using anything that is called or could be called 'mid acts' study Bible.

 

[biblebeliever123]

Why would anyone who uses the garbage known as the book of Enoch be bothered by anyone doing anything to scripture? amazing...the hypocrisy !!

 

[s0journ3r]

But in the course of saying it is a study Bible they will not be able to leave the Word alone, but will put their own private interpretations into it as if it is what the Holy Spirit meant.
If they wanted to make a MAD doctrine commentary on the Scriptures, that would be one thing, but they are rewriting the Scrptures to fit their own private interpretation, which is what the Watchtower has done.

You're absolutely correct. They're still subjecting Scripture to their hyper-dispensational presuppositions.

Yours truly in Christ,
sojourner

 

[biblebeliever123]

Again a reading problem...there is NO mid acts study Bible.

 

[s0journ3r]

Again a reading problem...there is NO mid acts study Bible.

Why do you have to be so condescending? Perhaps you should check out the The Companion Bible, by E.W. Bullinger.

Yours truly in Christ,
sojourner

 

[JM]

Again a reading problem...there is NO mid acts study Bible.

http://midactsbible.com/

 

[biblebeliever123]

With my apology, apparently there is such a thing as a 'mid acts' Bible. Of course, if the poster wanted to know what was happening with the status of said Bible, why not just go to the website and ask there? The agenda is to stir strife and it's working quite well. Kudos !

But I will state that as a person who is active in the 'grace' message and those associated with it... I know of NO person who uses this Bible. In looking at the website it looks that the person who did this study Bible has calvinist leanings and for myself I would not even consider using this so called 'mid acts' Bible.
Most grace believers use the KJV or some other translation.
None the less I would still say that those who are so free and easy with scripture that they consider the garbage book of enoch to be part of scripture are really laughable in jumping on this silly topic to try and discredit dispensational teaching. So much for debate. Why use scripture to debate when smear campaigns work so well!

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

2 Timothy 2:7 Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.
2 Timothy 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:

Ephesians 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
Ephesians 1:18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
Ephesians 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Why do you have to be so condescending? Perhaps you should check out the The Companion Bible, by E.W. Bullinger.

Yours truly in Christ,
sojourner

I had never read about what Bullinger believed until you mentioned that -thanks!
On the Mid Acts site @ http://www.ggfusa.org/grace_publications.htm they are selling Bullingers works.

Bullinger, E.W.
Commentary on Revelation. A book both practical and profound. Bullinger shares his creative and masterful insights in a compelling and clear manner. The theme of the books is the "Day of the Lord." This is a verse by verse study.
Price will vary.
Companion Bible. A special, unique study Bible with many dispensational notes. This book is considered by many an indispensable classic for the serious Bible student. Many fascinating, informative, appendices.
(Hardback, library bound) $54.99
Church Epistles. A most remarkable and rare book. Bullinger here considers all of Paul's epistles as truth for the Body of Christ. Our Source allows only a very limited the number of copies of this book and to be on hand. First come, first served.
$12.00
Figures of Speech. Perhaps the greatest, most extensive work of its kind in the English language. Truly a gold mine.
Price will vary.
Numbers in Scripture. A complete synopsis of every significant number found in the Bible; one of the most famous and helpful reference books on numerology ever written.
Price will vary.
The Witness of the Stars. An in-depth study of the constellations and principal stars as they pertain to prophetic truth. More than 40 charts and diagrams are included.
Price will vary.
Great Cloud of Witnesses in Hebrew 11. A great classic exposition of this famous and beloved passage, including an examination of the great heroes of the faith. Full of rich, practical applications.
Price will vary.

And though I do not subscribe to the doctrine of this site, esp, yet they have got it right on the Mid Acts position and I fully agree with them on this;

http://www.brethrenonline.org/books/ultrad.htm
People who have never investigated Bullingerism and its kindred systems will hardly believe me when I say that even the great commission upon which the Church has acted for 1900 years, and which is still our authority for world-wide missions, is, according to these teachers, a commission with which we have nothing whatever to do, that has no reference to the Church at all, and that the work there predicted will not begin until taken up by the remnant of Israel in the days of the Great Tribulation. Yet such is actually the teaching. In view of this, let us carefully read the closing verses of the Gospel:

"Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. And when they saw Him, they worshipped Him: but some doubted. And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto Me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen" (28: 16-20).

According to the Bullingeristic interpretation of this passage, we should have to paraphrase it somewhat as follows: "Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. And when they saw Him, they worshipped Him: but some doubted. And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto Me in heaven and earth, and after two entire dispensations have rolled by, I command that the remnant of Israel who shall be living two thousand or more years later, shall go out and teach the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, teaching them in that day to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you, but from which I absolve all believers between the present hour and that coming age, and lo, I will be with that remnant until the close of Daniel's seventieth week." Can anything be more absurd, more grotesque-and I might add, more wicked-than thus to twist and misuse the words of our Lord Jesus Christ?

In view of all this, may I direct my reader's careful attention to the solemn statement of the apostle Paul, which is found in I Timothy, chapter 6. After having given a great many practical exhortations to Timothy as to the instruction he was to give to the churches for their guidance during all the present age, the apostle says,

"If any man teach otherwise and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ' and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; he is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself" (I Tim. 6:3-5).

One would almost think that this was a direct command to Timothy to beware of Bullingerism! Notice, Timothy is to withdraw himself from, that is, to have no fellowship with, those who refuse the present authority of the words of our Lord Jesus Christ. Where do you get those actual words? Certainly in the four Gospels. There are very few actual words of the Lord Jesus Christ scattered throughout the rest of the New Testament. Of course there is a sense in which all the New Testament is from Him, but the apostle is clearly referring here to the actual spoken words of our Saviour, which have been recorded for the benefit of the saints, and which set forth the teaching that is in accordance with godliness or practical piety. If a man refuses these words, whether on the plea that they do not apply to our dispensation, or for any other reason, the Spirit of God declares it is an evidence of intellectual or spiritual pride. Such men ordinarily think they know much more than others, and they look down from their fancied heights of superior Scriptural understanding with a certain contempt, often not untinged with scornful amusement, upon godly men and women who are simply seeking to take the words of the Lord Jesus as the guide for their lives.

But here we are told that such "know nothing," but are really in their spiritual dotage, "doting about questions and strifes of words." The dotard is generally characterized by frequent repetition of similar expressions. We know how marked this symptom is in those who have entered upon a state of physical and intellectual senility. Spiritual dotage may be discerned in the same way. A constant dwelling upon certain expressions as though these were all important, to the ignoring of the great body of truth, is an outstanding symptom. The margin, it will be observed, substitutes the word "sick" for "doting;" "word-sickness" is an apt expression. The word-sick man over-estimates altogether the importance of terms. He babbles continually about expressions which many of his brethren scarcely understand. He is given to misplaced emphasis, making far more of fine doctrinal distinctions than of practical godly living. As a result, his influence is generally baneful instead of helpful, leading to strife and disputation instead of binding the hearts of the people of God together in the unity of the Spirit.

 

[eph3Nine]

Would you like us to post more OUTLANDISH practices and beliefs from the Ethiopian Coptic sites, ysm?????

This is for debate on the scriptures...NOT for a smear campaign against MAD believers.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Worth repeating;

But here we are told that such "know nothing," but are really in their spiritual dotage, "doting about questions and strifes of words." The dotard is generally characterized by frequent repetition of similar expressions. We know how marked this symptom is in those who have entered upon a state of physical and intellectual senility. Spiritual dotage may be discerned in the same way. A constant dwelling upon certain expressions as though these were all important, to the ignoring of the great body of truth, is an outstanding symptom. The margin, it will be observed, substitutes the word "sick" for "doting;" "word-sickness" is an apt expression. The word-sick man over-estimates altogether the importance of terms. He babbles continually about expressions which many of his brethren scarcely understand. He is given to misplaced emphasis, making far more of fine doctrinal distinctions than of practical godly living. As a result, his influence is generally baneful instead of helpful, leading to strife and disputation instead of binding the hearts of the people of God together in the unity of the Spirit.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

I am not a Coptic Christian, but if I were, what of it?

I have never claimed to be a Coptic Christian, but if I had, what of it?
Eph3nine, on the other hand, subscribes to a doctrine promoted as a secret only given to Paul, called "Mid Acts Dispensation -ism", and which has many leading teachers, of whom Jordan is a leading one in the movement, of whom she said;
http://www.christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=28071876&postcount=28

Im not going there....what Pastor Jordan beleives is up to HIM to defend, not I. He is a fine teacher of dispensational truth, however.

Originally Posted by yeshuasavedme Pastor C. Richard Jordan of the Grace School of the Bible, a Mid Acts Dispensationalist, who teaches error in his message "When Did Christ Learn the Mystery"says differently than you, teaching that Christ was not dual natured, but a lesser god, and not both YHWH and Man, but only Man while He walked the earth, and ignorant of what God knew.

and my reply to her;
http://www.christianforums.com/showpost.php?p

So, in the movement called the "Grace" movement, or Mid Acts Dispensationism, there are many teachers who promote certain doctrines which eph3nine may or may not agree with, in and of themselves, but whom nevertheless -at least in the case of Jordan, she calls

a fine teacher of dispensational truth,

;
So what "fine dispensational truth" does she believe Jordan teaches?

Wikipedia says about Jordan;
C. Richard Jordan President and founder of Grace School of the Bible (Mid-Acts position) http://www.GraceImpact.org

From a newsletter of discerning the times, a "leading" Mid Acts dispensational site, Jordan's beliefs are racked over the coals by another "leading member" in the "movement".
Read it for insight on the "fine teacher of dispensational theology" whom eph3nine praises.
http://www.discerningthetimespublishing.com/news_letter.htm
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Similarly, some notable Mid-Acts grace teachers would have you believe that Christ, to use their words, “had a time of limited understanding and limited knowledge.” These leaders of the Mid-Acts grace movement would have you believe that Jesus Christ lacks omniscience to this very day and still depends upon updates from the Father.
Obviously, it would be in the Pauper’s best interest to keep the Prince ignorant of who he really was. In like manner, it is not surprising to find liberal Bible expositors who would exalt themselves at the expense of their Saviour; but it is very sad to find such selfish arrogance in the grace camp.
We are now seeing grace believers scurrying about, searching out the verses about Jesus Christ which the cults use to undermine His deity, in an attempt to rob Him of the attributes of God. Not surprisingly, those same grace believers put themselves into 1 Tim. 3:16 in the place of Christ: “And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.” It is common that those who denigrate Christ, exalt themselves. (Romans 1:25 “Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever.&#8221
Well, what of those verses dredged up by Mid-Acts grace believers (as well as Jehovah Witnesses, Unitarians, Liberals and suchlike) to attack the deity of Jesus Christ? If there were not verses that could be twisted to teach Christ as a lesser god (or not God at all) we would not have the problems with cults that we do. For grace believers to be using those same verses in the same manner as the cults, to lessen the person of our Saviour Jesus Christ, used to be unthinkable but is now commonplace.
Are we willing to say Christ has none of the attributes of God because He asks questions? (Matthew 20:21 And he said unto her, What wilt thou? Mark 10:51 What wilt thou that I should do unto thee? Luke 8:45 Who touched me?)
Are we willing to say Christ has none of the attributes of God because he takes on human attributes? (Matthew 13:55 Is not this the carpenter's son? Mark 6:38 How many loaves have ye? go and see. Luke 7:34 The Son of man is come eating and drinking;
When some leading Mid-Acts grace teachers put forth that “He (Christ) made a choice, to lay aside the independent exercise of all of His deity attributes”, do we search the scriptures to see if that is true, or, do we say “Amen” because to question what some people teach is not allowed and will result in being shunned and smeared by the Grace Gestapo?
Imagine that a leader in the supposed King James-believing grace movement would have the Lord Jesus say things that Christ never said, and then that same teacher would base his subsequent wrong teachings on statements blasphemously jammed into our Lord’s mouth. What then?
Here are the exact words that a leading Mid-Acts grace teacher attributes to Jesus Christ: “And He said, ‘I wont use my power, my ability as God.’” And so, wrong teachings about the deity of Christ based upon lies about what Christ said, and accepting those lies has becoming a test of fellowship. That is more than sad: that is dangerous.
Of course, Christ never said any such thing. No real King James believer would teach by treating the Lord as a ventriloquist’s dummy, putting words in His mouth. But there are King James pretenders who think nothing of it. These words are blasphemously put into the mouth of the Lord by certain Mid-Acts teachers who pretend to be King James believers, desperate to teach the “emptied out” Jesus of Westcott-Hort, desperate to scratch itching ears, desperate to show the Athenians some new thing.
Because the “emptied out” Jesus, who did not even know He was the Son of God until age 30 when the Father told Him, has been taught openly and exported around our movement, open rebuttal should be expected, as Romans 16:17 demands. (Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.)
Meanwhile, the personal attacks and cover-up that have followed are not pretty.
“Jesus Is Jehovah” teaching tapes are offered as a smoke screen; but the question was never “Is Jesus Jehovah?” but rather “When did Christ learn about the mystery?”

Within the movement, there are differing views, but to associate oneself with the movement and to praise the "fine teacher of disepensational theology" who teaches such things is to be at the least, "double speaking".

And yes, I believe the book of Enoch is Scripture -so what?
Enoch was written before the founding of Mid Acts Dispensationism by several thousand years and totally rebukes and refutes the doctrines, in advance, promoted by Mid Acts Dispys.
Even if one does not believe Enoch is inspired Scripture the fact remains of it's pre-New Testament existence and it's use by the authors of the New Testament and of the LORD Jesus Christ, and of the total refutation of MAD doctrines by that book thousands of years before said doctrine's invention.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

On word dotage;

But here we are told that such "know nothing," but are really in their spiritual dotage, "doting about questions and strifes of words." The dotard is generally characterized by frequent repetition of similar expressions. We know how marked this symptom is in those who have entered upon a state of physical and intellectual senility.Spiritual dotage may be discerned in the same way. A constant dwelling upon certain expressions as though these were all important, to the ignoring of the great body of truth, is an outstanding symptom.

The margin, it will be observed, substitutes the word "sick" for "doting;" "word-sickness" is an apt expression. The word-sick man over-estimates altogether the importance of terms.

He babbles continually about expressions which many of his brethren scarcely understand.

He is given to misplaced

emphasis, making far more of fine doctrinal distinctions

than of practical godly living. As a result, his influence is generally baneful instead of helpful, leading to strife and disputation instead of binding the hearts of the people of God together in the unity of the Spirit.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

On word dotage;
But here we are told that such "know nothing," but are really in their spiritual dotage, "doting about questions and strifes of words." The dotard is generally characterized by frequent repetition of similar expressions. We know how marked this symptom is in those who have entered upon a state of physical and intellectual senility.Spiritual dotage may be discerned in the same way. A constant dwelling upon certain expressions as though these were all important, to the ignoring of the great body of truth, is an outstanding symptom.

The margin, it will be observed, substitutes the word "sick" for "doting;" "word-sickness" is an apt expression. The word-sick man over-estimates altogether the importance of terms.

He babbles continually about expressions which many of his brethren scarcely understand.

He is given to misplaced

emphasis, making far more of fine doctrinal distinctions

than of practical godly living. As a result, his influence is generally baneful instead of helpful, leading to strife and disputation instead of binding the hearts of the people of God together in the unity of the Spirit.

1Ti 6:3¶If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, [even] the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;1Ti 6:4
He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,


doting;1) to be sick -about words!
2) metaph. of any ailment of the mind
a) to be taken with such an interest in a thing as amounts to a disease, to have a morbid fondness for