Maybe, but it also increases your ability to get away with it.Maybe, but when those who are listening to you don't speak the language that you're using, it does reduce the incentive to alter the wording of the Mass.
Again, I disagree.You usually have to have both ability and motivation to do something, after all. Speaking in Latin with the only being present who can understand you being God Himself, you're only likely to alter the words if you believe that you need to in an effort to please Him, so you would have to have doctrinal differences with the Church before you would do it.
You don't say.Actually there were abuses prior to. They did happen. Saying mass in twenty-minutes flat; rushing the prayers was one of them.
Actually, that's precisely what a lot of trads do argue.No-one says that it was 'perfect' prior the Liturgical Revolution;
Doctrinally? Perhaps, though Vaggagini suggests that widespread ignorance of doctrine was as common then as it is now, if not moreso. Liturgically? There were fewer guitars and tambourines, perhaps, but in terms of its actual form, the 1962 Missal and prior revisions (going back to 1570) were just as problematic as the 1970 MR.but it was better doctrinally and liturgically.
VirgiltheRoman said:Global: It's mainly the prayers that got me. I read and saw the depth of the prayers years before I ever actually was able to attend the TLM. It was humility and depth of the Tridentine Mass that made me want to go. It is so much more Catholic; explicitly and in depth than the Novus Ordo. That's why waited years to want to go to one; I wasn't disappointed. I got the same reverence and holiness from the Holy Ghost a Byzantine Mass, the Divine Liturgy of St John Chrysostom as well. Truly an encounter with God and a 'meeting of Heaven and Earth'.
Maybe, but it also increases your ability to get away with it.
Again, I disagree.
I agree with this commenter...I also like her name, Aimee.
I agree with you, Mark. I watched RCTV for a year or so several years ago, but came to dislike it and quit. It was so negative, Voris a bitter, self-appointed prosecutor, judge, and jury. And the style of the show – calculated to get attention and cause scandal, like reading the tabloids in the supermarket. Even if what he says is true, it is done in a way so lacking in charity as to be a source of scandal in itself.
ChurchMilitant – what a perfect name for a militant, defiant guy like Voris. I’m sure it will just be more of the same, only worse. And I don’t look forward to the day when he bites the dust for good, like so many other Catholic “heroes” of recent fame who got a little too carried away with themselves, their popularity, their power, only to suffer the most humiliating public fall from grace.
And for those who’d like to shut you up, Mark – good grief, Voris makes a living out of publicly criticizing others. Yet no one is supposed to criticize him? Have people learned nothing from the Corapis and Euteneuers of this world, their supporters hotly shouting down everyone else because of what “heroes” for the faith they were? Yet look how they turned out.
The only heroes in my book are the saints – and they didn’t go around publicly criticizing and defying their bishops while trying to squirm around all the rules.
Voris, along with Hahn, Akin, Keating, and a few others, definitely helped me to move out of Catholicism, not into it. Corapi was my favorite guy....we all know how he turned out. Al Cresta and a few others have such a Republican Party agenda and I hear so much anti-educator stuff from them all. When Corapi was out, I was out with Catholic radio, too.
I always thought Father Benedict Groeschel was a class act. Father Mitch Pacwa is a good guy also. The World Over Live guy Raymond Arroyo was cool, too. The hardcore, packaged apologists always turned me off. Voris is a good example. Like Catholic Answers, they make Catholicism almost like a product. Groeschel presented it as something powerful, a theological way of life, something deep and spiritually permeating. Corapi made it comprehensible for the typical working joe. He put things into a very crisp, sometimes humorous, but always thought-provoking perspective. I miss him. While I'm not Catholic anymore, I have a lot of respect for them. I hope and pray Father Corapi has repented and is on the path of Christ again.
Voris is like the Catholic equivalent of TBN....
That's one thing I didn't like about Corapi, Hahn, Voris, Shea, & 'Catholic Answers': they've turning being apologists into a profit or commercial business. It to me seemed increasingly like a corporate interest rather than the good of souls. That's why I became more and more disinterested with them. And why I don't generally listen to them much anymore these days. They're like Catholic televangelist; chocked full o' gimmickery and the like.
That's one thing I didn't like about Corapi, Hahn, Voris, Shea, & 'Catholic Answers': they've turning being apologists into a profit or commercial business. It to me seemed increasingly like a corporate interest rather than the good of souls. That's why I became more and more disinterested with them. And why I don't generally listen to them much anymore these days. They're like Catholic televangelist; chocked full o' gimmickery and the like.
It costs money to run what is essentially a studio. Plus Michael broke into his retirement account to be able to found St. Michael's Media. Why should he not make a living?Okay. Still not big on the whole lay Catholic money making business.
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