OK, thanks for your response, have a great Thanksgiving, see ya around later on...Absolutely not. He always was with God from eternity. Have a Happy Thanksgiving---bye.
The original language does not contain a question mark---it is a statement---there was no punctuation in Hebrew.
Don't know---never tried it---can a believer caste out demons in the other over 50 names of God/Jesus?
How about casting out a demon in the name of any of those in post #106? Let me know if it works.
What if it is Jesus in their language...?The point here is that we do not see anywhere in the Bible where the disciples did cast out demons in some other name given to the Son of God besides Jesus. Why is this important? Well, Christians follow the Bible alone and not some outside spiritual ideas. For the moment we start adding outside spiritual ideas to the Bible is when we open ourselves up to all kinds of spiritual error.
The disciples spoke either Greek, Aramaic, or Hebrew correct...? And "Jesus" is an English translation of Jesus name right...? So, what if even they were not saying the English name of Jesus, "Jesus"...? Would it still have worked in any of those three languages...? And if that is the case, why not others, or other languages...?What if it is Jesus in their language...?
(just trying to make conversation)
God Bless!
Yes!!! Captain of the host!!
Hello, this is an example of God speaking and act through an angel...Acts 7: 35-38, "This is the same Moses they had rejected with the words, ' Who made you ruler and judge?'. He was sent to be their ruler and deliverer by God Himself, THROUGH the angel who appeared to him in the bush...The angel of the Lord is Jesus also. He has many names and titles and duties. He is also our High Priest.
The point here is that we do not see anywhere in the Bible where the disciples did cast out demons in some other name given to the Son of God besides Jesus. Why is this important? Well, Christians follow the Bible alone and not some outside spiritual ideas. For the moment we start adding outside spiritual ideas to the Bible is when we open ourselves up to all kinds of spiritual error.
how do you equate the "Angel of YHWH" = "Michael" ?LOL! Nobody else was there!! He bowed down and worship the captain of the host---Only God can make the ground holy and He was the only one there! Empty air does not a holy ground make. Captain of the host was Jesus. Deny it all you want. Doesn't change it any.
There was no bush there---and Moses worshiped who was in the burning bush
Exo_3:2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.
Exo 3:3 And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt.
Exo 3:4 And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I.
Exo 3:5 And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground.
You can say the angel of the Lord was not God all you want. God doesn't posses angels, neither do any of God's angels posses any human, only evil angels posses people--or any object.
Believe whatever you want.
God's "Name" was in the Angel?God Himself was "in that angel"...
But not in the fallen ones, they have been separated from Him...
God Bless!
Right---and I do not use any other name----point being---there are many names and titles for Jesus,
"Lord" normally refers to the Lord Jesus in the NT. That said, did you take note of the other words that I put in bold for you above (in Jude 9)?
In case you did not, here they are again.
JudeSo Jesus, God the Son, did not dare pronounce a railing judgment against the devil? Really
9 Michael the archangel, when he disputed with the devil and argued about the body of Moses, did not dare pronounce against him a railing judgment, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”
It seems to me that the only way that works is if Jesus is ~NOT~ God, not a member of the Godhead, but a creature instead.
Is that where you are hoping to go with this thread?
Thanks!
--David
I know this subject keeps coming up over and over again, but I have a new question on Daniel 10. in 2011 I thought this doctrine had been debunked when I attended an Evangelical Church and the preached on this subject. As he was preaching I thought I saw the proof that Michael was NOT Jesus, but now I think I may have drawn a hasty conclusion. In the vision Daniel see what most believe a vision of the pre-incarnate Christ. Then he falls un-conscious and when he wakes up he is told by an un-named being that Michael had to be called to help, because he was resisted by the Prince of Persia, that is why it took so long to come to Daniel. The problem is that when Daniel falls asleep and then wakes up is the speaker the Pre-incarnate Christ or is some other being. If it is PIC then it is proof Michael is not Christ. If it is some one else then Christ could still be Michael. Does anyone know if the language indicates that it is one way or the other?
The terms used for angel in scripture mean messenger. So it is a relatively unimportant point if Christ carried the title of chief angel in scriptures or not. Christ is the word, thus he was the chief messenger of God. Whether he was Michael or not I see as inconsequential.that is not enough for me to hang a belief on
Hello Ruffhaus, and welcome to CF!The Hebrew word in Daniel 10:13 for chief, it is rishôn rishôn which means literally first in time, rank and place. Michael the Archangel is Jesus. there are no other Archangels in the Bible, Michael is the only one. The Bible calls him one of the chief Prince's, which is a very unfortunate translation from people(Bible translators) who also didn't quite understand it all at the time of translating.
I know this subject keeps coming up over and over again, but I have a new question on Daniel 10. in 2011 I thought this doctrine had been debunked when I attended an Evangelical Church and the preached on this subject. As he was preaching I thought I saw the proof that Michael was NOT Jesus, but now I think I may have drawn a hasty conclusion. In the vision Daniel see what most believe a vision of the pre-incarnate Christ. Then he falls un-conscious and when he wakes up he is told by an un-named being that Michael had to be called to help, because he was resisted by the Prince of Persia, that is why it took so long to come to Daniel. The problem is that when Daniel falls asleep and then wakes up is the speaker the Pre-incarnate Christ or is some other being. If it is PIC then it is proof Michael is not Christ. If it is some one else then Christ could still be Michael. Does anyone know if the language indicates that it is one way or the other?
Man's tradition often gets in the way of truth with the myths like this one. I haven't found the "origin"/ when and why this myth started,Jesus is not an angel, maybe in some scripture may be the angel of the lord or something like that, but he is not an angel, sorry i didn't read all the discussion but...
God's name with anything following "after it", is usually an Angel...God's "Name" was in the Angel?
They are parts of God's Word's, but only God is all of them, or all of His Word or Word's, etc...how do you equate the "Angel of YHWH" = "Michael" ?
Even Michael, Gabriel, Raphael and the other Arch-Angels are created beings, made by God's Word, and so not God's Word ?
We will also be like those angels also, each bearing his name in Heaven.God's name with anything following "after it", is usually an Angel...
They bear the name also, just with something after it, or something specifying what the specialize in as a part of God, or part of God's body, etc... But God is all of them, while they are only a part or certain parts or specific aspects or parts of God, etc...
So, Yes, God's name, and presence, was in and a part of the Angels, or any Holy Angels of God...
God Bless!
Jesus is not an angel, maybe in some scripture may be the angel of the lord or something like that, but he is not an angel, sorry i didn't read all the discussion but...
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