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Micah 4

Do you believe Christ will literally reign on earth physically?

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I was reading Micah 4 today and it sounds very much like parts of Isaiah 2. I am assuming that this event has not happened yet. It sounds like it is referring to a literal reign of Christ on the earth and a time of peace.
It says that Christ himself will judge between the nations vs.3 and
"never again will they train for war."
With everything that is happening today it seems clear this hasn't happened yet.
I got a little confused on verse 8 where it says, "Even the former dominion will come, The kingdom of the daughter of Jerusalem."
I was wondering what former dominion it was referring to and who is the daughter of Jerusalem in this passage?
verse 8

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I was reading Micah 4 today and it sounds very much like parts of Isaiah 2. I am assuming that this event has not happened yet. It sounds like it is referring to a literal reign of Christ on the earth and a time of peace.

Yes, for those of us who hold to a premillennial view, then this event is still future. One of the key connections between Micah 4 and Isaiah 2 is the phrase "in that day" - which refers to the day of the LORD which takes place in the future.

It says that Christ himself will judge between the nations vs.3 and
"never again will they train for war."
With everything that is happening today it seems clear this hasn't happened yet.
I got a little confused on verse 8 where it says, "Even the former dominion will come, The kingdom of the daughter of Jerusalem."
I was wondering what former dominion it was referring to and who is the daughter of Jerusalem in this passage?
verse 8

Any thoughts

The "former dominion" is the kingdom of David which will be restored under Christ in the future.

The "daughter of Jerusalem" is a reference to the city of David within Jerusalem.. The city of David is where the Davidic kings reside. Micah addresses the "daughter of Zion" in Micah 4:10 and 4:13. The verse 10 reference is to the Davidic line going into the Babylonian exile (10). The second verse 13 reference is to the end times when Jeruslaem is going to be besieged by the nations - but the Davidic king - Christ - will triumph over them.


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The "former dominion" is the kingdom of David which will be restored under Christ in the future.
Hi LDG,

Is this not a reference to the "kingdom" that will be restored in the future:

"When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?" (Acts1:6).

Evidently the Apostles did not think that Israel had already been temporarily set aside that that time, did they?

But yet Acts 2 dispensationalism teaches that before the "dispensation of grace" could begin Israel must have been set aside. Acts 2 dispensationalists J.Dwight Pentecost writes:

"This (the "cutting off" of Christ) necessitated the setting aside of the nation Israel for a season in order that His new program for the church might be instituted" (Walvrood & Zuck, The Bible Knowledge Commentary; Old Testament, pp.1363-1364).

Evidently the nation was not yet set aside at the time the Apostles asked their question, so the following commission was a commission that is not the commission we are under now:

"But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth" (Acts 1:8).

It was not until Israel was cast aside that the "gospel of grace" went into the whole world:

"...through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy" (Ro.11:11).

Do you think that Israel had already been set aside by the time of the Cross? The Apostles did not think so, and they had been taught by the risen Lord Jesus about the things pertaining to the kingdom:

"To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God" (Acts 1:3).

In His grace,--Jerry
 
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Jerry,

I am an Acts 2 dispensationalist and I dont believe that the gospel of the kingdom offer for the Jews was off the table before the Church age began. In Acts 3:19 where Peter calls for the Jews to repent "in order for times of refreshing may come" we see the offer is still on the table. We know that that offer was no longer on the table by the time of the judgement of AD 70 when exactly Israel was temporarily set aside is subject to debate.
 
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Jerry,

I am an Acts 2 dispensationalist and I dont believe that the gospel of the kingdom offer for the Jews was off the table before the Church age began. In Acts 3:19 where Peter calls for the Jews to repent "in order for times of refreshing may come" we see the offer is still on the table.
nwmsugrad,

The so-called "great commission" was a command to preach the "gospel of kingdom" in the whole world. Since that commission was issued before the setting aside of Israel then how do you explain the following verses?:

"...through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy" (Ro.11:11).

"For if the setting aside of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?" (Ro.11:15).

"For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief" (Ro.11:30).

In His grace,--Jerry
 
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If the millenium is literal, could you explain Peters view in the following verses.

2 Peter 3

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
 
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I would not concur with that statement can you defend it?

"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature" (Mk.16:15).

"But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth" (Acts1:8).

"And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations" (Mt.24:14).
 
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Hi LDG,

Is this not a reference to the "kingdom" that will be restored in the future:

"When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?" (Acts1:6).

Yes it is a reference to the future kingdom....

Evidently the Apostles did not think that Israel had already been temporarily set aside that that time, did they?

To whom was the kingdom supposedly offered? To Jews who had already rejected Jesus during His ministry?

But yet Acts 2 dispensationalism teaches that before the "dispensation of grace" could begin Israel must have been set aside. Acts 2 dispensationalists J.Dwight Pentecost writes:

"This (the "cutting off" of Christ) necessitated the setting aside of the nation Israel for a season in order that His new program for the church might be instituted" (Walvrood & Zuck, The Bible Knowledge Commentary; Old Testament, pp.1363-1364).

In the quote isn't Pentecost saying that the cross was necessary for setting aside Israel? Pentecost does hold to pre-cross and post-cross kingdom offers, but its not dependent upon Israel's acceptance or rejection. What differentiates the present from the prior dispensation is the reception of the Holy Spirit in Acts 2.

At any rate, Acts 2 dispensationalists do not have a singular view on the "kingdom offer" before or after the cross. Paul quoted Scripture showing that Israel's rejection of the gospel was already foretold and foreknown.


Evidently the nation was not yet set aside at the time the Apostles asked their question, so the following commission was a commission that is not the commission we are under now:

"But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth" (Acts 1:8).

For Acts 2 dispensationalists, Jesus' reply is the theme for the entire book of Acts. The disciples were to be witnesses and spread the gospel from Jerusalem to Judea, Samaria and then into all the world. This is the geographical movement in the entire book of Acts, where the "ends of the world" include faraway Ethiopia and the city of Rome.

It was not until Israel was cast aside that the "gospel of grace" went into the whole world:

"...through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy" (Ro.11:11).

Do you think that Israel had already been set aside by the time of the Cross? The Apostles did not think so, and they had been taught by the risen Lord Jesus about the things pertaining to the kingdom:

"To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God" (Acts 1:3).

No, I do not think Israel was set aside before or after the cross. I believe that Israel has been partially hardened. Individual Jews can and do come to believe in Jesus, but the nation as a whole will not until after the partially hardening is lifted.

I can see though where a Mid-Acts perspective appears to be dependent upon a post-cross kingdom offer rejection.


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If the millenium is literal, could you explain Peters view in the following verses.

2 Peter 3

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

Most premils place this event occurs after the millennial kingdom - see Rev 21:1, Luke 21:33.


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If the millenium is literal, could you explain Peters view in the following verses.

2 Peter 3

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
This is referring to the "day of God" when the kingdom will be delivered up to God:

"Then cometh the end, when He shall have delivered up the kingdom to God...And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all" (1 Cor.15:24,28).

In His grace,--Jerry
 
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To whom was the kingdom supposedly offered? To Jews who had already rejected Jesus during His ministry?
On the Cross the Lord Jesus asked the Father to forgiven them "because they know not what they do" (Lk.23:34).

Then on the day of Pentecost the Apostle Peter told the nation of Israel that it was "through ignorance" they killed the Lord Jesus (Acts 3:17).

And then Peter told them that if they repented then the Father would send back the Son to set up the earthly kingdom:

"Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, that the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord. And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you" (Acts 3:19-20).

If I remember correctly you do not believe that this was an offer of the kingdom. Perhaps you could give me your interpreation of the Lord Jesus' "parable of the marriage feast" at Matthew 22:1-10.
I do not think Israel was set aside before or after the cross. I believe that Israel has been partially hardened. Individual Jews can and do come to believe in Jesus, but the nation as a whole will not until after the partially hardening is lifted.
Then what do you think Paul is saying here?:

"For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?" (Ro.11:15).

In His grace,--Jerry
 
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I've got to be an Acts 2 Dispensationalist! I'll lie or cheat to defend it! No other theological system has the ring of truth! I repent of my Preterism.


Well, maybe Acts 2 Dispensationalism could use a little refining.
 
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http://chrisjesusboy.wordpress.com/2007/01/18/the-blasphemous-heretical-kingdom-offer-of-dispensationalism/

The Blasphemous Kingdom Offer Of Dispensationalism


The Erroneous Kingdom Offer

Dispensationalism believes that the purpose of the first advent of Jesus Christ was to offer an earthly Kingdom to the Jews. This Kingdom would reinstate the Old Testament legal system and it’s expansion to the entire world under the Messiah.When the Jews rejected Jesus Christ and His Kingdom offer, plan B went into effect and Christ went to the cross to initiate the dispensation of Grace and the “mystery church”.Had Israel received her King there would have been no cross - and no Gospel! When Jesus came, He made a bona fide offer of the Kingdom and power to the people of Israel.

What then, if the Jews had done their duty and accepted this offer, of the salvation of mankind?

What of the cross - “without shedding of blood there is no remission”?

What of the prophecies pointing to the cross?

How could Christ offer a Kingdom that He could not permit to be established lest there be no salvation of man by His shed Blood?

Dispensationalists attempt to absolve themselves from the concept of making God a liar by claiming He knew no one would call His bluff. They say:


He knew before He came that they would refuse it - knew from all eternity; hence, there are prophets which speak of His coming to die for us.Still, the problem stands. Even if Christ made an earthly Kingdom offer knowing that the Jews would refuse, the offer could not have been redeemed. An offer that is impossible to honor is not a sincere offer but a fraud. Our God makes no insincere offers. Besides, if Christ came to establish an earthly Kingdom for the Jews surely He had opportunity, and the support of the masses -
Therefore when Jesus perceived that they were about to come and take Him by force to make Him king, He departed again to the mountain by Himself alone.
John 6:15


No, Christ came at the set time to die on the cross, to redeem fallen mankind. All true sons of Abraham recognized Him. It is at the Ascension that He received His Kingdom, and He is seated now on His Throne!


Therefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, do not cease to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers: that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him, the eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that you may know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints, and what is the exceeding greatness of His power toward us who believe, according to the working of His mighty power which He worked in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, far above all principality and power and might and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in that which is to come.
Ephesians 1:15-21


~ by Chris Jesus' Boy on January 18, 2007.



 
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Questions For Dispensationalists

If the dispensationalist will simply answer these honestly presented queries, we will be able to discern whether the accusations against dispensationalism are true

1. Has the OT saint partaken of the blood of Christ shed for sins?

Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.”John 6:53-54


And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, blessed and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, “Take, eat; this is My body.” Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.”
Matthew 26:26-28
2. Does the Spirit of Christ dwell in the OT saint?

“He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him.”
John 6:56
But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.
Romans 8:93

3. Are ALL the saints of ALL the ages ONE BODY, drinking of the SAME Spirit?
The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ? For we, though many, are one bread and one body; for we all partake of that one bread.
1 Corinthians 10:16-17
For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body– whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free–and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.
1 Corinthians 12:13
If one answers in the affirmative the above queries, one has abandoned Dispensationalism. Congratulations, brother, welcome to orthodox Christianity! If one answers any of the above in the negative, then the accusations against dispensationalism are true, and we would ask that person to produce the means of the OT saints salvation!
Soli Deo Gloria !



~ by Chris Jesus' Boy on December 29, 2006.
 
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http://chrisjesusboy.wordpress.com/2007/01/18/the-blasphemous-heretical-kingdom-offer-of-dispensationalism/

The Blasphemous Kingdom Offer Of Dispensationalism


The Erroneous Kingdom Offer

Dispensationalism believes that the purpose of the first advent of Jesus Christ was to offer an earthly Kingdom to the Jews. This Kingdom would reinstate the Old Testament legal system and it’s expansion to the entire world under the Messiah.When the Jews rejected Jesus Christ and His Kingdom offer, plan B went into effect and Christ went to the cross to initiate the dispensation of Grace and the “mystery church”.Had Israel received her King there would have been no cross - and no Gospel! When Jesus came, He made a bona fide offer of the Kingdom and power to the people of Israel.

What then, if the Jews had done their duty and accepted this offer, of the salvation of mankind?

What of the cross - “without shedding of blood there is no remission”?

What of the prophecies pointing to the cross?

How could Christ offer a Kingdom that He could not permit to be established lest there be no salvation of man by His shed Blood?

Dispensationalists attempt to absolve themselves from the concept of making God a liar by claiming He knew no one would call His bluff. They say:


He knew before He came that they would refuse it - knew from all eternity; hence, there are prophets which speak of His coming to die for us.Still, the problem stands. Even if Christ made an earthly Kingdom offer knowing that the Jews would refuse, the offer could not have been redeemed. An offer that is impossible to honor is not a sincere offer but a fraud. Our God makes no insincere offers. Besides, if Christ came to establish an earthly Kingdom for the Jews surely He had opportunity, and the support of the masses -
Therefore when Jesus perceived that they were about to come and take Him by force to make Him king, He departed again to the mountain by Himself alone.
John 6:15


No, Christ came at the set time to die on the cross, to redeem fallen mankind. All true sons of Abraham recognized Him. It is at the Ascension that He received His Kingdom, and He is seated now on His Throne!


Therefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, do not cease to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers: that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him, the eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that you may know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints, and what is the exceeding greatness of His power toward us who believe, according to the working of His mighty power which He worked in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, far above all principality and power and might and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in that which is to come.
Ephesians 1:15-21


~ by Chris Jesus' Boy on January 18, 2007.




As a mid-Acts dispy, I, and all others mid-Acts dispies I know, do not believe that Jesus offered the kingdom to Israel during his earthly ministry. Therefore the author of the article you copied and pasted, is from a wrong premise, making his argument worthless. It is just a "straw dummy" with which to attack.

NOW LETS SEE YOU DEFEND IT.

Jesus came only to "...the lost sheep of the house of Israel" (Matthew 15:24), to "...confirm the promises made to the fathers" (Romans 15:8).

Even though the kingdom of heaven, on earth, is promised to Israel in the OT, Jesus, during His earthly ministry, never once offered the kingdom to Israel. So the first thing you must do is show me where Jesus offered the kingdom. Yes, He spoke concerning the kingdom, but NEVER offered it.

Jesus, speaking of himself, in Luke 17:25 "But first he (Jesus) must suffer many things, an be rejected of this (that present) generation." Therefore, Jesus could not yet offer the kingdom.

From OT prophesies we learn that two things must happen prior to the establishment of the kingdom. 1 - Jesus must suffer and be rejected by His people, and 2 - Israel must go through the Tribulation.

We know from the gospels that Jesus was rejected by His people, and we learn from Acts 2:15-20 that the Tribulation had begun. Therefore, had Peter, at Pentecost, could make a legitiment offer of the kingdom in Acts 3:19-21.

Had Israel, as a nation, repented of the murder of Jesus, then the Tribulation would have continued for its 7 year duration, and Jesus would have returned. There would not have been a need for this dispensation of Grace.
 
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I've got to be an Acts 2 Dispensationalist! I'll lie or cheat to defend it! No other theological system has the ring of truth! I repent of my Preterism.

Well, maybe Acts 2 Dispensationalism could use a little refining.

I, and Robert C. Brock, have many problems with Acts 2 dispensationalists. Now lets you refute them.

Taken from: http://www.starlightresearch.com/ActsProblems.html

DOCTRINAL PROBLEMS OF ACTS 2 DISPENSATIONALISM

by Robert C. Brock

The purpose of this study is to examine what this system of Dispensationalism teaches about the Church, the Body of Christ. It is in this area of Bible teaching where the Acts 2 position is very weak. It needs to be dramatically improved.

However, I do not want to give the impression that the Acts 2 viewpoint of the Bible is all bad. It is not all bad. They have contributed much to our understanding of Biblical truth through scholarly books and journals. Most of the books in my library have been written by Acts 2 Dispensational scholars.

But, there are 28 teachings involving the Church and its ministry that need to be reviewed and revised in their system. The Pauline Dispensationalism is the only one who can do this.

When believers study the Word of God, they need to realize that the Pauline approach to the Scriptures is the most satisfying way to study God's Word and also to please our Father God. Paul received many revelations from the risen Christ (2 Cor. 12:1,7), and when we follow Paul in his theology we are following the theology of our risen Lord, Christ Jesus (1 Cor. 11:1).

Acts, chapter 13, records Paul's message at Antioch in a synagogue. At the end of that sermon, he stated that the risen Lord commanded him to be a LIGHT of the GENTILES, in order for them to find salvation (Acts 13:47). This not only refers to his preaching and teaching ministry but also to his written ministry, the 13 letters to the Body of Christ and the book of Hebrews. This 'light' through the ministry of the Holy Spirit sheds much truth on the workings of God in the Bible.

This is how we are going to approach the many problems (or errors) of Acts 2 Dispensationalism. The branches of theology that contain these problems in the Acts 2 system are Ecclesiology (the Church), Soteriology (Salvation), Christology (the Work of Christ), and Eschatology (prophecy). Most of the time will be spent studying the doctrines of Ecclesiology, which is the weakest link in the Acts 2 system of teaching.

Only some verses related to the Rapture will be dealt with in the area of prophecy, because Acts 2 Dispensationalism and Pauline Dispensationalism teach basically the same thing. Not much time will be spent on Christology and Soteriology, either.

Another area of truth where Acts 2 Dispensationalism is weak has to do with the Nation of Israel. They are shaky in their understanding of Israel and its teachings. Actually, the Nation of Israel and what God has done with His earthly chosen people is at the center of this controversy which has plagued the Church for many centuries. If one can accept what the Bible teaches about Israel, then the truth about the Church and Prophecy will be taken care of automatically.

This sounds so simple, but it has become a very complex Bible study that Bible students with good intentions have messed up in a terrible way.

We can say then, that this study will deal with Israel and Judaism, and the main viewpoints that are being taught in Christendom by Dispensationalists. The many contrasts will be between Judaism and Christianity as it was revealed to the Apostle Paul.

Some doctrines in the Bible will not be very involved with this discussion. Bible truth such as Divine Inspiration, the Deity of Christ, the Fall of Adam, sin, and other common doctrines are taken for granted. There would be no need to go into these truths because of common agreement on them.

This study will not deal with hermeneutics either, because of the common -usage of the main principle of interpretation found in 2 Timothy 2:15, 'rightly dividing the word of truth,' and taking the Bible in a literal sense, which includes the historical-grammatical approach to Scripture.

There are two main schools of Dispensationalism - the Acts 2 viewpoint and the Pauline viewpoint. Differences between dispensationalists are chiefly in the area of Ecclesiology, the doctrine of the Church. This is the battle ground between Acts 2 believers and Pauline believers.

The Acts 2 position is much weaker than the Pauline position. This is because the Acts 2 position has much in common with Reformed Theology when it comes to an understanding of the truth about the Church. Acts 2 Dispensationalists are VERY INCONSISTENT in their separation of what belongs to Israel and what belongs to the Church, as we are going to learn. This inconsistency is what causes the problems in this system of theology. Both systems claim to rightly divide the Word of truth, but the Acts 2 position does not go far enough in its application of this Divine principle. Pauline Dispensationalists have accepted the light thrown on the doctrine of the Church by the Holy Spirit because of being consistent in using 2 Timothy 2:15.

Each section dealing with a problem will be presented in two parts - (1) the Acts 2 position, and (2) The Truth from the Pauline perspective. The Acts 2 position will be summarized from their teachings on the subject, and some names mentioned with their books.

All of the many problems that will be examined are inter-related. Hence, there will be a certain amount of repetition as we look for the truth.

With that in mind, let us briefly inspect the doctrinal problems of Acts 2 Dispensationalism.
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TABLE OF CONTENTS

PROBLEMS


1. That there is only 'one gospel' in the Bible

2. The Bible teaches that there is only one way to be saved

3. Pauline truth is just a continuation of what Jesus taught in His earthly ministry

4. That the Mystery revealed to Paul is only about the formation of the Body of Christ

5. That every member of the Body of Christ needs to be water baptized

6. That other New Testament writers refer to the Rapture of the Church besides Paul

7. That the Church, the Body of Christ, is also the Bride of Christ

8. That the New Covenant with its blessings and salvation is for the Church, the Body of Christ

9. That the Day of Pentecost is the beginning of the Church, the Body of Christ. This includes the Dispensation of the grace of God

10. That the Abrahamic Covenant is being fulfilled during this Age of Grace

11. That the seven churches in the book of Revelation are a part of the Body of Christ

12. That there is only one purpose and plan of God for the human race in the Bible

13. That the Twelve Apostles are members of the Body of Christ

14. That the writings of the Twelve Apostles are addressed to the Body of Christ

15. That the members of the Body of Christ constitute a priesthood of believers

16. That the commission the Lord Jesus gave to the disciples in Mark 16:15-18 and in Matthew 28:18-20 is for the Body of Christ

17. That the Nation of Israel rejected the offer of the Kingdom in Matthew, chapter 11

18. They do not recognize the positive answer to the Lord's prayer while on the cross

19. The belief that the Church, the Body of Christ, will come back with Christ at the Second Coming in order to reign and live with Him on earth

20. That angels have a ministry to the Body of Christ during the Dispensation of grace

21. That the gift of speaking in tongues is for the Church today

22. That the Law of Moses was set aside at the time of the cross

23. That Jesus taught during His earthly ministry that believers in Him would go to heaven when they died

24. That the other gospel in Galatians 1:6 is either a false gospel or a mixture of Law and Grace

25. That we are to follow Jesus according to His earthly ministry

26. That believers are to confess their sins to God

27. That Old Testament prophecy is being fulfilled during these last days of the Dispensation of the grace of God

28. That all Christians are commanded to tithe according to Malachi 3:8-10

CONCLUSION
 
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lightninboy said:
Questions For Dispensationalists

If the dispensationalist will simply answer these honestly presented queries, we will be able to discern whether the accusations against dispensationalism are true

1. Has the OT saint partaken of the blood of Christ shed for sins?

Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.”John 6:53-54


And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, blessed and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, “Take, eat; this is My body.” Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.”
Matthew 26:26-28
2. Does the Spirit of Christ dwell in the OT saint?

“He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him.”
John 6:56
But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.
Romans 8:93

3. Are ALL the saints of ALL the ages ONE BODY, drinking of the SAME Spirit?
The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ? For we, though many, are one bread and one body; for we all partake of that one bread.
1 Corinthians 10:16-17
For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body– whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free–and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.
1 Corinthians 12:13
If one answers in the affirmative the above queries, one has abandoned Dispensationalism. Congratulations, brother, welcome to orthodox Christianity! If one answers any of the above in the negative, then the accusations against dispensationalism are true, and we would ask that person to produce the means of the OT saints salvation!
Soli Deo Gloria !


~ by Chris Jesus' Boy on December 29, 2006.

lightninboy said:
Dear Dispy,

You may be right about the kingdom not being offered to Israel until after the Resurrection.

I am looking for the truth.

However, the second Chris Jesus' Boy article clearly refutes your MAD.

lightninboy

The one who wrote the above article is taking the scriptures completely out of context.

The time period that John is writing about is during the earthly ministry of Jesus. The Cross and its purpose was still a secret, therefore, John is not writing about that.

John 6:22-59 is speaking of Jesus being the bread of life. So, the eating of Christ's flesh, and drinking His blood is obvioulsy a metaphor for believing in His as the Son of God.

If you would read John 6:22-59 in context, you will not find a word about the purpose of the cross, or the Church, the Body of Christ. That is all still future revelation of Paul.

I am really beginning to believe that you read the Laws of Moses into the Garden of Eden too.

You will find the Truth in studying the Bible "rightly divided."
 
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The Erroneous Kingdom Offer

Dispensationalism believes that the purpose of the first advent of Jesus Christ was to offer an earthly Kingdom to the Jews. This Kingdom would reinstate the Old Testament legal system and it’s expansion to the entire world under the Messiah.When the Jews rejected Jesus Christ and His Kingdom offer, plan B went into effect and Christ went to the cross to initiate the dispensation of Grace and the “mystery church”.Had Israel received her King there would have been no cross - and no Gospel! When Jesus came, He made a bona fide offer of the Kingdom and power to the people of Israel.

Chris misrepresents dispensationalism here. Not all dispensationalists believe that Jesus offered the kingdom to the Jews during His first advent. In fact most do not. Also no dispensationalist believes that this present age is "plan B." That (and other things he says) are misrepresentations. So none of what he offers describes is actually a core belief in dispensationalism.

1. Has the OT saint partaken of the blood of Christ shed for sins?

Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.”John 6:53-54


And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, blessed and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, “Take, eat; this is My body.” Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.”
Matthew 26:26-28
Dispensationalists do believe that the OT saints have all been covered by the blood of Christ. But the Bible clearly shows that God's Will and promises have been revealed progressively, not all at once. What Jesus said in the gospels wasn't revealed in Genesis. So I question any attempt to import and "back date" what Jesus said into the OT - without the Biblical support of OT revelation. One might as well "back date" the Trinity and even that the OT saints actually believed in one named Jesus Christ.

2. Does the Spirit of Christ dwell in the OT saint?

“He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him.”
John 6:56
But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.
Romans 8:93

This question suffers from the same issue as number one concerning the import of future revealed truth into prior history. There is a difference between the indwelling Holy Spirit in NT times and the temporary indwelling spoken of in the OT.

3. Are ALL the saints of ALL the ages ONE BODY, drinking of the SAME Spirit?
The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ? For we, though many, are one bread and one body; for we all partake of that one bread.
1 Corinthians 10:16-17
Dispensationalists often call all the saints of all ages the redeemed. It is wrong to ignore the fact that in the OT, the Jews - the ones in the covenant - were separated from the Gentiles. It is also fact that not all Jews - those in the covenant - were saved. Also not all Gentiles were lost. So in the OT, saved Jews and saved Gentiles were not ONE BODY together. Only the NT speaks of saved Jews and saved Gentiles being ONE BODY through ONE SPIRIT.

So again, beware of those who want to backdate theology into the OT when what has been revealed in the OT contradicts it.


LDG
 
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