Methodological Supernaturalism

[LewisWildermuth]

Still waiting for Nick to show me where Christ plainly advocates creationism....

Since he accused me of ignoring Christs plain teachings on this it shouldn't be too hard to find.

 

[LewisWildermuth]

Bump.

 

[npetreley]

Jesus says this, which illustrates that Abel (son of Adam and Eve) is a historical figure just like Zechariah...

Matthew 23:34-35
"Therefore, behold, I am sending you prophets and wise men and scribes; some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city, so that upon you may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.

How did Abel's parents get there?

Matthew 19:4
And He answered and said, "Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning made them male and female,

 

[Sky]

This doesn't advocate Creationism, it just says that God created them( which is true). It doesn't mean that God made them instantly appear 6000 years ago.

 

[LewisWildermuth]

Jesus says this, which illustrates that Abel (son of Adam and Eve) is a historical figure just like Zechariah...

quote:

Matthew 23:34-35


"Therefore, behold, I am sending you prophets and wise men and scribes; some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city, so that upon you may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.

Abel has always been used as the "first innocent slaughtered" and in talking to priests why not use it? We talk about someone who is honest by refering to the George Washington and the cherry tree story, even though it never happened. Paul Bunyon <sp?> is often used in reference to someone who is large and/or strong, but again he didn't exist. Life is full of known mythological figures being refered to like they actualy existed even long after people know that they didn't.

Matthew 19:4


And He answered and said, "Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning made them male and female.

Well, that may work if I didn't believe in a creation, however I do. I just do not believe that when we look towards God's creation and see thengs billions of years old, that God is lying to us through His creation.

So yes God did create everything we see, just not in six days about six thousand years ago.

 

[npetreley]

Originally posted by LewisWildermuth
Abel has always been used as the "first innocent slaughtered" and in talking to priests why not use it? We talk about someone who is honest by refering to the George Washington and the cherry tree story, even though it never happened. Paul Bunyon <sp?> is often used in reference to someone who is large and/or strong, but again he didn't exist. Life is full of known mythological figures being refered to like they actualy existed even long after people know that they didn't.

It would be nonsense to mix an historical figure with a mythical one in a statement like the one made by Jesus. It would be like saying, "I'm going to hold you responsible for the murder of everyone from Mickey Mouse to Martin Luther King." Or to use your own example, it would be like saying "I'm going to hold you responsible for everything that has been felled, from Washington's apple tree to the world trade center." What can I say? If that's what you want to think, enjoy.

 

[LewisWildermuth]

It may sound silly Nick, but it is and has been used that way since recorded history began. And Washington cut down a cherry tree, not an apple tree, get your mythos straight

Mythological figures are often refered to as literaly existing in speach. It is common, and has been common for many cultures for as long as we can tell.

 

[npetreley]

Originally posted by LewisWildermuth
It may sound silly Nick, but it is and has been used that way since recorded history began. And Washington cut down a cherry tree, not an apple tree, get your mythos straight

Mythological figures are often refered to as literaly existing in speach. It is common, and has been common for many cultures for as long as we can tell.

If it's so common, give me one famous quote that mixes a mythological figure and an historical one in the same sentence and same context. In other words, just the way Jesus referred to the blood of Abel AND Zecharaiah.

If it's so common you should have plenty of examples, but one will do.

 

[Sky]

Lewis,

If you are a Christian, then why do you beleve parts of the Bible are untrue? God is not a liar.

 

[DialecticMaterialist]

Nick how do you know that George Washington did not cut down the cherry tree? But if you're not sure he didn't how do you know he's a real figure and not himself a myth? Looks like you are getting into metaphysics there buddy.

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Also how can you say there is no Mickey Mouse? How can you be sure? Can you prove to me that there is no Mickey Mouse?&nbsp;

 

[npetreley]

Originally posted by npetreley
If it's so common, give me one famous quote that mixes a mythological figure and an historical one in the same sentence and same context. In other words, just the way Jesus referred to the blood of Abel AND Zecharaiah.

If it's so common you should have plenty of examples, but one will do.

Still waiting for those examples, Lewis.

 

[LiveFreeOrDie]

Originally posted by npetreley
Still waiting for those examples, Lewis.

Your right to pester other posters is suspended, Nick, until you provide a substantive response to the very first post in this thread.

 

[Sky]

This thread is dead, no one is going to post here.

 

[LewisWildermuth]

Originally posted by npetreley
Still waiting for those examples, Lewis.

Falling stars, an equivilant can be found in most languages. we have known that they were not really stars for how long now yet we still call them falling stars?

Faith of a mustard seed... Now how much faith does a mustard seed really have?

The good sumaritian, did Jesus realy know this guy? Are you saying that since Jesus mentioned him he existed?

Lazurus the servant, did he really exist too? Jesus mentioned him.

"She's as pretty as Venus." Does someone saying this prove that Venus exists?

"As fast as Mercury." And the god Mercury too?

"I slept like a log" Do you now thing logs sleep?

Shall I go on with imaginary things that are referenced as facts in common language?

 

[LewisWildermuth]

Originally posted by Sky
Lewis,

If you are a Christian, then why do you beleve parts of the Bible are untrue? God is not a liar.

I don't think that they are lies anymore than the parables are lies. There are many stories in the bible that as far as we can tell never really happened. But they do have an overall spiritual signifigance. They might not be factualy true, but factual truth and spiritual truth does not have to be one in the same.