With respect.The problem is, homosexuals do not consider it to be a sin, when it so clearly is.
Let's say hypothetically, yes.
This isn't part and parcel of being one, so I think it's wrong to blanket them; many homosexuals struggle with their faith and themselves because they know it is a sin yet cannot change their faith or their sexuality. But I do understand what you are saying.
many homosexuals struggle with their faith and themselves because they know it is a sin yet cannot change their faith or their sexuality
Would you think it okay if a homosexual was in a leadership role providing they recognised it was a sin?
Thankyou, but I have no idea what you're basing that on.
That post was pretty confusing, it looks like you got some quoting muddled or neglected to put quotation marks around them or something.
So what time is it where you are?I did; I haven't slept all night...
Existential1 said:To what extent, in the NT: does the Church view of homsexuality as a sin, reside in what Paul says?
If we laid aside what Paul says, for a moment in debate: what else in the NT gives ground for the current conservative position on homosexuality?
I say this because Paul is not really on my path of following Jesus: and where he might be seen to be in with the bricks of the Churches?
I see Paul as someone whose zeal drove him to kill and persecute Christians: and whom post-road-to-Damascus used that same zeal to attempt to direct and manage the development of the Christian Church?
I'm wary of the same-body-different-soul doctrine: I'm not sure that it safely communicates what God's forgiveness entails; Paul, for me, remains a loose cannon, before and after the road-to-Damscus experience.
It may be, that for Christianity to progress, the place of Paul need be re-examined: I fear that, once a persecutor, always a persecutor, is a possibility; where the current persecution of the homsexual within Christianity, may be somewhat laid at the door of Paul; and assessed as a continuation in that tradition in which he was pre-eminent.
What's an atheist WD?Sorry, yeh .
Excuse me? bend the living word? Refer to other posters? What poster exactly did I refer to? How did I bend the Living Word?Existential1 said:To refer to other posters in this manner: and to attempt to bend the living word to assistance in this task; is to defy the injunction of these forums; as to uniting all Christians in one body.
The witness of all must stand. Let the God beyond us, do all judging: in the mystery of his silence; and in the hearts of each of us.
End this undeclared civil war: this attempt at doctrinal cleansing; and end it now.
Let truth speak for itself, and the truth of each witness speak for itself: do not strive to break the bones of your Christian bretheren.
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