Messianics: Who is in Heaven now?

[ShirChadash]

And conversely, is anyone in Hell?

What happens at death?

Please share your thoughts here

 

[sojeru]

Heaven?

well, at this moment people are waiting in their graves in their own state of mind and conscience.
so people are in a paradise and hell in their grave- the soul remains in the grave and the spirit goes back to HaShem.

hell and heaven are only a waiting place- and these are only concepts not reality.

 

[Hix]

You know you couldnt have picked a better time to ask this, Aish's Rabbi's question of the week is "what happens when we die" take a look at him explaining it on video:

http://www.aish.com/rabbi/video.asp

 

[simchat_torah]

Nobody is in heaven yet, it hasn't been created yet

 

[ShirChadash]

Thank you, Sojeru, for your response. Please feel free to add any more thoughts/reasons/sources/discussion of your own, anything really, in this thread. I would like to see some good, loving discussion come about the topic I think I will have some questions for you, if you don't mind. Right now, though, I am off to view the materials at the link Hix gave


Hix, woooohoooo! Gotta love anything from Aish Thanks for the link, Bro.

 

[ShirChadash]

S_T, as usual, you leave me wanting to hear... MORE. LOL. Come on. Pretty please. Anyone have scripture, even extra-Biblical Jewish thought/sources.... What do Messianics understand about Heaven/Hell/Death... and why?

 

[ILY]

Didn't Y'shua describe hell as "weeping and gnashing of teeth?"

Shalom
ILY<><

 

[ShirChadash]

Well, I tried to view the Aish video yesterday, and my connection speed is slow enough that it was constantly buffering. SO I'll try again late tonight when all the town's kiddies are in bed

 

[YHVH Ori]

I am neshuma, I live in the bawsar, and the ruach keeps me alive in my home (bawsar).

When one dies of the bawsar, they either go to Paradise (Avraham's bosom) or to Prison (Place of torment). Luke 12:48, fair punisment is given; a few stripes to those who deserve a few, and more stripes to does who deserve more. Matthew 18:34-35, their are punished to a certain point; till they have paid for what was due.

P.S. Do not confused Paradise with "the heaven." You do not go straight to "the heaven" when you die of the bawsar.

 

[Sephania]

Hi Zemirah Did you know that this same type of question is in GA? Someone must have seen yours and wanted a more "general audience" thoughts and answers.

I have put my answers there ( as I just saw your thread here) and they pretty much answer your questions, I think, so go have a read.

http://www.christianforums.com/t102070

 

[Henaynei]

I am neshuma, I live in the bawsar, and the ruach keeps me alive in my home (bawsar).

When one dies of the bawsar, they either go to Paradise (Avraham's bosom) or to Prison (Place of torment). Luke 12:48, fair punisment is given; a few stripes to those who deserve a few, and more stripes to does who deserve more. Matthew 18:34-35, their are punished to a certain point; till they have paid for what was due.

P.S. Do not confused Paradise with "the heaven." You do not go straight to "the heaven" when you die of the bawsar.

If this is true - then of what service or need is the sacrifice of Messiah?? AND *how* does one "pay" the punishment debt?? Physical "stripes"?

 

[Hix]

I tend to not take people who use the divine name of HaShem for their internet handle seriously.

Shalom and G-d bless
~Hix~

 

[simchat_torah]

I think along the same lines myself Hix.... but I at least give people a chance

 

[Hix]

So do I! lol

 

[ShirChadash]

Hi Zemirah Did you know that this same type of question is in GA? Someone must have seen yours and wanted a more "general audience" thoughts and answers.

I have put my answers there ( as I just saw your thread here) and they pretty much answer your questions, I think, so go have a read.

http://www.christianforums.com/t102070

Excellent Zayit, thank you No I didn't know there was a concurrent thread running, so I will go look at your post, Brother!

 

[ShirChadash]

And let me say that the other posters on that thread sound like a pretty confused group LOL. That's why I asked for Messianics on this thread: I think we Messy's can just lay it all out and talk about what are common Messianic views on everything under the sun (obviously we don't all agree on every detail... I am just saying, "commonly held") and should be able to, without a bunch of people "setting us straight". Besides, I'm here to learn from y'all.

 

[Henaynei]

If this is true - then of what service or need is the sacrifice of Messiah?? AND *how* does one "pay" the punishment debt?? Physical "stripes"?

/me pulls her toung out of her cheek - cheeky lady that she is!!!

 

[Sephania]

And let me say that the other posters on that thread sound like a pretty confused group LOL. That's why I asked for Messianics on this thread: I think we Messy's can just lay it all out and talk about what are common Messianic views on everything under the sun (obviously we don't all agree on every detail... I am just saying, "commonly held") and should be able to, without a bunch of people "setting us straight". Besides, I'm here to learn from y'all.

Hee...........I wonder if Henaynei's got a smilie with a goat head butting a sheep?

Oy!

 

[Sephania]

I just went and checked on it and seems like after my last post it got real quiet in there.

 

[YHVH Ori]

If this is true - then of what service or need is the sacrifice of Messiah?? AND *how* does one "pay" the punishment debt?? Physical "stripes"?

By what part of what I said do you mean "if this is true"?