Messianic symbol of our faith here on these forums

[SonWorshipper]

Erwin is looking for symbols to denote what a member believes so it is easier I guess when participating in the general forums and even in the specific ones just whom you are discussing with and I think it is a good idea so that many arent' lead astray.

So, we have to come up with a symbol that represents our faith. Now I know that there are those here that have a problem with the one that is my avatar so could you suggest something else? Personally I do not like the Magen David with a cross. Below is a picture I just took of my favorite and I have three including the one that is my avatar. I prefer this, as it proclaims Messiah and exactly where he came from.

So I have made this a poll so you don't have to post your reasoning if you don't want but can still have your opinon counted.

1.

2.

3.

1.= Star with Cross

2. = Star with Fish

3. Messianic Seal = Menorah Star Fish



So what should we use? Please remember that this is really not for us but to represent us and should be easily recognizable by many.

 

[SonWorshipper]

Here is the thread about this in the SB&H Forum

http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=1127431

 

[Henaynei]

Anything Jewish without a cross.

Another suggestion would be the fish with a menorah inside.

LOL - what I have on my car: fish with "Gefilte" inside.

While the menorah/star/fish is ok - it is not going to be recognizable taken down to the "smilie" size needed to add under the name along with flag, sex, mood, etc.

Neither would my avitar, the Shema Mobius Strip, but I think it is a great MJ symbol!! LOL

Maybe the greatest service the CF denominational icon would serve is that running the cursor over it should bring up the name of the denomination and clicking it should take you to that forum.

 

[simchat_torah]

why must one necessarily include a 'messianic' attachment to a jewish symbol?

what's wrong with just the mogan david?

 

[Higher Truth]

The seven candle menorah was given by Elohim.

 

[Henaynei]

why must one necessarily include a 'messianic' attachment to a jewish symbol? what's wrong with just the mogan david?

The seven candle menorah was given by Elohim.

Either of these would be acceptable to me too :0)

Simplify simplify

 

[simchat_torah]

I think that while the menorah is recognized as a holy symbol within judaism, the mogan david is more widely recognized as represetnative of the religion.

I would not necessarily be opposed to the famous "messianic" symbol of the fish, menorah, and star... except for the 'possible' pagan ties to the fish... as well as the lack of authenticity for this symbol.
I wouldn't be upset if it was used as the symbol for this section of the forums, but I wouldn't vote for it at the same time.

personally, I still stand behind the idea that simply the mogan david could represent this section. We are, after all, on a 'christian forum'.... so it would be understood that this is a messianic section (not to mention the TITLE of the section)... so why must we necessitate a messianic symbol? why not a simple jewish star?

maybe i think too traditionally for some, nu?

shalom,
yafet.

 

[iitb]

why must one necessarily include a 'messianic' attachment to a jewish symbol?

what's wrong with just the mogan david?

The main problem is, although this is a christian site, one doesn't have to be "christian" to join. If we take the Mogan David, what would Erwin use for non-messianic Jews?

I, personally, hate the idea of labels. What I post should make it clear what I believe, do I really need to be categorized?

 

[Henaynei]

The main problem is, although this is a christian site, one doesn't have to be "christian" to join. If we take the Mogan David, what would Erwin use for non-messianic Jews?
I, personally, hate the idea of labels. What I post should make it clear what I believe, do I really need to be categorized?

Ok, so the non-messianic Jews get the symbol Magen Dovid and we get the Menorah (since it has messianic implications - work??

 

[iitb]

I don't think we should have an icon for every denominataion - we won't have enough space! Just the major Christian groupings, and a non-believer one.

Of course, this is all voluntary and not a compulsory thing.

Well, if non-messianic Jews are going to be put in the highly-coveted group "other," then sign me up for the Mogan David!

 

[Higher Truth]

How about the seven candle menorah with the Hebrew characters Yod-Shin-Vav-Ayin across the top representing the light from it.

After all...He is the light of this world:

John 8
12 Then Jesus again spoke to them, saying, * I am the Light of the world.* The one following Me will in no way walk in the darkness, but will have the light of life.

And the world to come...

Revelation 21
22 And I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty is its temple, even the Lamb.
23 And the city had no need of the sun, nor of the moon, that they might shine in it, for the glory of God illuminated it, * even its lamp is the Lamb.*
24 And the nations of the ones saved will walk in its light; and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor into it.


Praise His Holy Name

 

[Henaynei]

ya gotta remember this icon is going to be about the size of one of those smilies - needs to be easily and quickly recognizable - fine details like hebrew letters above menora flames may be too fine a detail for such use

 

[KelsayDL]

I would prefer a Menorrah over the Mogan David or any other stand alone symbol.

At least there is absolutely no question as to it's origen.


Whereas the stand alone "symbol" simply a fish, the Mogan David, and the cross all leave doubts in my mind of their true origens.

Also, if simply the Mogan David alone is used, many people will misinterpret that as being only Judaism, and not Messianic Judaism (Messianic as far as accepting Yeshua as the Messiah).

While I wonder of it's validity, I would opt for option 3 posted by SW.

 

[iitb]

I could live with a Menorah.

 

[simchat_torah]

please don't be offended, I'm not being sarcastic, but honest:

if simply the Mogan David alone is used, many people will misinterpret that as being only Judaism, and not Messianic Judaism (Messianic as far as accepting Yeshua as the Messiah).

Correct me if I'm wrong, but won't the titles stay the same? We are merely adding a tiny picture to represent the forums next to the titles, nu? I mean, if it isn't blazingly obvious by the title: Messianic Judaism
on a christian web forum
then we would need something indicating 'messianic' in the little picture.

The main problem is, although this is a christian site, one doesn't have to be "christian" to join.If we take the Mogan David, what would Erwin use for non-messianic Jews?

1) This sections is the 'messianic section'. In otherwords, the only people debating, and for the most part posting, in this section will be messianics.
2) I'm pretty sure there's no "Jewish non-messiah believing" section on these forums, so the above idea about a 'jewish' area needing representation kinda loses steam because there isn't one
(unless I'm wrong and I've missed a section for various religions on the front page... there are a LOT of sections... lol)

As far as the menorah:
I think this is a valid symbol, but I still think it's kinda akin to picking a random holy symbol rather than using something which is indicative of a religious stance. Maybe it's just me and I'm seeing it wrong.

however, I'd like to add that just as the messianic symbol (fish, star, menorah) that I wouldn't be opposed to a simple menorah, I just think that the Mogan david is widely representative as is.

Shalom!
yafet.

 

[iitb]

Actually, Yafet, I believe the symbols being discussed aren't for each forum, but for each member. So it's just another little pic for under your Avatar, where the gender thingy, country flag, etc. are.

 

[simchat_torah]

oh, then why not have all of them available? a menorah, mogan david, messianic symbol (fish, star, menorah)?

 

[AnthonyForChrist]

I like the "Chi-Rho" connecting the sides of the Magen David. It seems to be a representation of Jew and Gentile under Christ, or that it is Christ that upholds the Jewish people, the heart of the shield of faith.

 

[simchat_torah]

considering that these little .gifs will be used on a personal level, why not make them all available?

 

[Henaynei]

for the same reason there is only one icon for each gender - it supposed to be an identifier, like the flag

they are for each "denomination" rather than for each forum

having an half dozen from qhich to choose for each denomination would invalidate the purpose