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I've seen a growing trend on the part of some (not all!) Messianics to try
to attach pagan meaning to certain Christian beliefs and rituals.
I find that appalling.
This is totally off the wall! No credible Christian has ever taken this view. It is actually based on the Passover / Feast of un-leavened bread which is why it also has the names: The Lord's Supper or The Last Supper, unless you are also saying that Passover is also based on the same historical events.
That depends on what you mean by "credible."
Plenty of Christians accept history and archeology outside the scope of the Bible. Not to diminish the Last Supper, but the Eucharist has existed for thousands of years in various forms. If you are against the Sciences, then it may be quite possible that you would hear this as incredible. But what observation into the relics of our past and the writings and practices of the Egyptians during specific periods tells us is that the Eucharist began as a pagan practice.
Perhaps Jesus reclaimed it, but it might be better to assume the Last Supper took place with a Hebrew pretence rather than a Gentile one and that the "Eucharist" as modern Christians know it is a concatonation of the two due to the process of Hellinization.
That depends on what you mean by "credible."
Plenty of Christians accept history and archeology outside the scope of the Bible. Not to diminish the Last Supper, but the Eucharist has existed for thousands of years in various forms. If you are against the Sciences, then it may be quite possible that you would hear this as incredible. But what observation into the relics of our past and the writings and practices of the Egyptians during specific periods tells us is that the Eucharist began as a pagan practice.
Perhaps Jesus reclaimed it, but it might be better to assume the Last Supper took place with a Hebrew pretence rather than a Gentile one and that the "Eucharist" as modern Christians know it is a concatonation of the two due to the process of Hellinization.
I agree scripture... If you won't accept the irrefutable evidence.. nothing stops you from stopping the discussion where you want to get off. You are trained to behave the way you do. Obviously you bought it. Mind closed.Wrong - scripture does. I think I've been around long enough (7years) to know what the various fora are on CF!
The link given to cannibalism is NOT connected in any way, shape or form to the Eucharist (or the same event by any other name used by the Church). If you wish to continue attacking the Church please show real irrefutable evidence for your claims or cease the attack. I'm getting fed up with it - the red button will be used if it persists.
And where did you study to learn these 'facts'?
Why would anyone even consider that there was a gentile hint to the Last Supper, the Passover? It was never a gentile observance! Sheesh!!
Elijah is meant to literally cause Korah and his company to rise out of the earth; the same men who were swallowed up by the earth. This is not the same as making disciples out of normal, living men.
Hmmm...
Read carefully and see that the Korah story was to be a SIGN:
One of the even Miracles to ID Elijah: "he will cause Korah and his company to rise out of the earth."
Numbers 26:10 and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed them up together with Korah when that company died, when the fire devoured two hundred and fifty men; and they became a SIGN.
Well, not until Paul brought it to them, anyway.
Of course, you will remember that the customs of the Jews, then and now, are considered with certain prejudices so in order to make the adoption of them by the Gentiles more palatable, they may have been slightly altered to seem more familiar to what they were already accustomed.
It wasn't that Judaism was to be made more palatable but merely the fact that Gentiles had always only needed to obseve the Seven Noachide Laws anyway.
The critics of Paul just did not think about that.
When one of the Children of Noah engages in the study of the Seven Universal Laws, he is able to attain a spiritual level higher than the High Priest of the Jews, who alone has the sanctity to enter the Holy of Holies in the Temple in Jerusalem. [see Babylonian Talmud, Baba Kamma 38a]
We are agreed.
Do you have a point?
Get your facts straight. Babba Kamma 38a says that the Gentile must study the entire Torah to be likened to the High Priest.
Oh?
Good.
My point was that the Christian Cross is de facto the scepter of the God of the Bible as everyone tody must plainly see.
Even "[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] Jesus" uses that scepter to symbolize its message.
Then, another of the seven miracles of Elijah is the sign of Korah's opposition to The Law which was initiated in the wilderness.
A third miracle was fulfilled in 32AD during the transfiguration when Moses appeared to them in the wilderness:
"He will bring before them Moses and the generation of the wilderness."
These points I make in response to your post that said it is important to make a case for Elijah returned in 32AD in this regard.
Right?
I think both of you need to review the CF rules. Neither of you are MJ, why are you debating among yourselves here? This should be taken to Gen. Theo. or Unorthodox Thoe.
I think both of you need to review the CF rules. Neither of you are MJ, why are you debating among yourselves here? This should be taken to Gen. Theo. or Unorthodox Thoe.
The forum says this is for gentiles and MJ's...
Right?
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