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Elijah is the messenger before the Messiah.. Therefore it was a way of looking for the day when "Elijah" would come and make way for the Jewish Messianic era. Yeshua using that cup is pure conjecture. He was more likely to use the "redemption" cup. As that was He calling with His first coming.
The third cup of wine is taken after the meal. It is the cup of redemption, which reminds us of the shed blood of the innocent Lamb which brought our redemption from Egypt. We see that Jesus took the third cup in Luke 22:20 and 1 Corinthians 11:25, "In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, 'This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.'" This was not just any cup, it was the cup of redemption from slavery into freedom.
I'm glad you've pointed this out. These are the clues that tell us what cup he drinks from. This is the sort of conclusion we would expect to arrive at when we read the scripture and understand the traditions in context.
terms are in general a very tricky businessThey will even provide examples of the latest endeavors including calling God Allah.
And if I'm not mistaken, it is after this cup that tradition opens the door to allow Elijah to come join the festivities if he is there waiting. No? Or is my memory once again faulty (after all it's been several months since we did this,)
I would just prefer Jewish terms in MJ, so that everyone here has a Jewish mind picture and reference point.
I guess it depends on what side of the fence you are onSorry, I was being a little tongue in cheek. It just makes me so cross when I hear people say that a Jew must give up his Jewishness to become a christian. What rubbish. So I guess I take every opportunity I can to say that a Jew does not have to stop being a Jew to become a christian.
I think in this case..... eucharist ... in not seder.
I guess it depends on what side of the fence you are on
I am a firm believer to find and do all things in Yeshua's .. as this is His Kingdom.. MJ forum using Jewish terms will go a long ways to helping outsiders see and understand the difference. Mixing terms like greek or roman just because everyone else is doing it... we should be above that.
thats the thing.... I am a FIRM believer that in rome do as romans do. If one cant stand MJ or Xnity heat enough to not bash it -get out of the MJ forums kitchen.
MJs want to use Jewish terms - power to them, admire the chuzpah.But!! if I may.... I hope you guys are realistic to know that most Jews think of MJ or xtians using their terms, right? lets say, "mikveh" ? Same that we think of an atheist taking a bath and calling it "baptism".Trust me on this. Again, shouldnt deterr you, but just for the info...
I am babysitting a dog. He just jumped on my laptop warningless and almost send this msge. If you see a post "too strange even for DRose's low standars", its Mr.Spike.
Right... the Eucharist is based on the funery rites of the cult of Osiris where it is believed that eating the flesh of a god grants godhood or godlike qualities.
For the Greeks, this is envisioned as Ambrosia, removing the connotations of cannibalism.
It is credible.. It is historical.. I understand your training makes you stand on the position you do.. but this is a MJ forum and in that light Seder setting is more historically realistic to the format that Yeshua was working with. Rabbis explain and expound upon what is already given..This is totally off the wall! No credible Christian has ever taken this view. It is actually based on the Passover / Feast of un-leavened bread which is why it also has the names: The Lord's Supper or The Last Supper, unless you are also saying that Passover is also based on the same historical events.
That's funny......they get less wrinkled as they get older?Adult Sharpei, Chava. Ony face is wrinked, body isn't.
It is credible.. It is historical.. I understand your training makes you stand on the position you do.. but this is a MJ forum and in that light Seder setting is more historically realistic to the format that Yeshua was working with. Rabbis explain and expound upon what is already given..
This is totally off the wall! No credible Christian has ever taken this view.
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