Messianic Judaism?

[Victorian Rose]

Can someone explain to me what Messianic Judaism is? How does it differ from the Charismatic faith? What are their doctrines?

 

[HumbleMan]

The only thing I know about this group is that it believes Jesus is the Messiah, but they still hold on to traditional Jewish beliefs and holidays. Have you posted this on the Messianic Board?

 

[sojeru]

Greetings Your Excellencies,

May this find your Excellencies in good health, Peace, and that you are all prospering most copiously; All thanks be to HaSHem, most blessed is He.

Your Excellency "Humbleman",
you are partially correct in your response to Her Excellencies "Rainbow Rose' " question.

There is a group that had begun the "messianic faith" that is the majority and modern "messianic" practice today called the "Jews" 4 Jesus.
Their doctrines are very close to the charismatic faith.
They begun the term "Hebrew christians"

I am not associated with this group.

Other groups have went off and dived to a more Orthodox Jewish state and yet retain the name "Messianic", some and many practices are diverse and different from christianity and Judaism. It is in itself its own religion. There are many degrees into the doctrines and practices of Messianic Judaism in both the groups more closely related to J4J (Jews for Jesus) and this second group of messianic Jews.

for an example of the first group go to www.jews4jesus.com
and an example for the second group look for Sanj, i believe you can find them at www.hrvbible.org

Then there are those that ARE Orthodox Jews (some believe near the second example) that believe in Messiah as Yeshuah, and practice exactly as Orthodox Jews.
I myself and my brothers believe and interpret the "New Testament" in the perspective of Orthodox Judaism and see it in complete agreement withall the Rabbinic Sages of the Talmud and history.
We do not consider ourselves "messianic"- Just Jews even though we believe in the authority of the "New testament" and recieve His Majesty King Yeshuah as the cheif Rabbi, the Messiah.

There were Rabbis that were Orthodox and remained Orthodox and recieved Yeshuah as the chief Rabbi during the 1800's. Their doctrines and interpretations were no where near and not considered "christian" in any sense- all of their teachings were authentically Jewish by the Orthodox Standard.

Some Rabbis, Orthodox they were, left Judaism and recieved christianity in its completeness, only that they had more knowledge than any christian because of their Orthodox Jewish rearing and background. Their doctrines were 100% christian. An example is the renown author Alfred Edersheim.

I hope this information served you well.

shalom u'bracha,
Antonio

 

[Charlesinflorida]

Can someone explain to me what Messianic Judaism is? How does it differ from the Charismatic faith? What are their doctrines?

And there is a group of Independent Messianics who are made up of both Jew and Gentiles who simply use the bible as their guide, both old and New testaments, but put less emphasis on rabbinic (Talmudic) teachings. We see these teachings as valuable but not equal to the written Torah, or the New Testament.

Here is a link to some of the best materials and study information on the Messianic faith .

http://www.ffoz.org/

Charles in Florida

Happy Sabbath to you.

 

[Shamash Of Yeshua]

Can someone explain to me what Messianic Judaism is? How does it differ from the Charismatic faith? What are their doctrines?

Shabbat Shalom Rainbow Rose who seeks and shall find,

Here is Messianic Judaism on CF that you can enter and explore the depths of Messianic Judaism from many sides, yet you will see many similarities. For instance Torah is held with High respects as YaHWeH's Instructions of Life for MAN. And we also hold to Walking as YaHshua HaMashiach (The Messiah) walked. In Spirit and in Truth. In YaHWeH's Ruach(Spirit) and in YaHshua's Truth that He received from our Father and His Father, Our Creator.
We aren't saved by obeying the Instructions(LAWS) of YHWH, we are saved by the Grace of YHWH's Salvation which HE Appointed YaHshua as HIS RIGHT HAND as HE did Joseph when he was sold into Egypt by his brothers. As Joseph was the Right hand of Pharoah, so shall be The Chosen ONE be the RIGHT HAND OF YHWH. And as Moses was appointed to Save Israel, so shall YaHshua be the Appointed one to SAVE His Chosen from the WORLD.
According to the B'rit Khadashah(NT) and the Tanahk YHWH is the Same YESTERDAY, TODAY and FOREVER. HIS NAME IS BLESSED ABOVE ALL, YHWH. HE Said that We shall PROCLAIM HIS NAME TO THE WORLD AND BLESS HIS NAME ABOVE ALL NAMES. WHY OH WHY HAS HIS NAME BEEN HIDDEN?
Now since we shall BOW BEFORE OUR KING, so shall we BOW before the Appointed KING of Kings, YaHshua HaMashiach. YHWH has appointed YaHshua HIS RIGHT HAND and HAS GIVEN YaHshua all POWER in Heaven as well as Earth. Read my signature for the ending argument.

Shabbat Shalom,

Tag

 

[Shamash Of Yeshua]

Greetings Your Excellencies,

May this find your Excellencies in good health, Peace, and that you are all prospering most copiously; All thanks be to HaSHem, most blessed is He.

Your Excellency "Humbleman",
you are partially correct in your response to Her Excellencies "Rainbow Rose' " question.

There is a group that had begun the "messianic faith" that is the majority and modern "messianic" practice today called the "Jews" 4 Jesus.
Their doctrines are very close to the charismatic faith.
They begun the term "Hebrew christians"

I am not associated with this group.

Other groups have went off and dived to a more Orthodox Jewish state and yet retain the name "Messianic", some and many practices are diverse and different from christianity and Judaism. It is in itself its own religion. There are many degrees into the doctrines and practices of Messianic Judaism in both the groups more closely related to J4J (Jews for Jesus) and this second group of messianic Jews.

for an example of the first group go to www.jews4jesus.com
and an example for the second group look for Sanj, i believe you can find them at www.hrvbible.org

shalom u'bracha,
Antonio

Shabbat Shalom Antonio,
My understanding that the J4J are Christian Jews who are into converting Jews to Jesus and holding to the mainline christian doctrines which do differ from Messianic Judaism.

MJ holds that none of YHWH's Feasts and other Holy Days are changed in any way or added to. We don't celebrate those TRADITIONS held to by the majority of Christianity and even the WORLD. Christmas, Easter. You can find info on this subject within MJ Forums.
MJ holds having Faith as YaHshua's FAITH IN YHWH. YaHshua Obeyed all of YHWH's Instructions and we believe we should do as He did and will do when He returns. The day He returns only YHWH knows the hour. YaHshua doesn't know. YHWH appointed YaHshua as KING of Kings for in His NAME, YaHWeH Saves, He will RULE all CREATION for 1000 years. Then at which time He, YaHshua will hand everything over to YHWH as my signature quotes.
We are saved by HIS GRACE, not our WORKS. We do the works because we have Faith in YHWH by Our Example and Master, Yeshua(YaHshua) HaMashiach. He is the FIRST and the Last since He was appointed into the HIGHEST POSITION ANY MAN could hold, at YHWH's RIGHT HAND.

Israel is YHWH's CHOSEN PEOPLE. HIS People OBEY HIM. HE, YHWH, brought about HIS PROPHETIC WORDS HE SPOKE THROUGH HIS PROPHETS OF OLD(And I mean Ancient), who were commanded to write down HIS WORDS so that when we ARRIVE in the TIMELINE of those PROPHECIES we SHALL KNOW FOR WE ARE AWAKE and SEEKING THE TRUTH. Israel's History shows what is to COME. We can have anything we want for YHWH Gave us those Choices. We choose and hope we choose ACCORDING to YHWH's Instructions. Not according to MAN's Traditions and Doctrines HE(MAN) has Written. Look what happened to the Northen Kingdom of Israel when the King changed YHWH's Appointed Feast days. The 10 Tribes of Northern Kingdom of Israel were SCATTERED throughout the WORLD. Now that YHWH has Mixed then with the rest of the world, he has brought OPPORTUNITY for those who aren't BORN as a Jew to come worship YHWH in SPIRIT and TRUTH. YaHshua Taught in Jewish Synagogues. Which really they were YHWH's Synagogues as the Feasts ARE YHWH's Feasts, not the Jewish people. And YaHshua taught on YHWH's Appointed day of weekly worship which is Shabbat, which is Friday(fifth day of week) and ends on the sixth day sunset(sat.) Sabbath.
YaHshua didn't change YHWH's WORDs, He lived THEM. He didn't abolish the Torah and Prophets, He lived THEM. He PROCLAIMED YHWH's NAME to all that we His. He didn't hide it behind a title or another name. He showed us the Spirit of TORAH. For example when Yeshua(YaHshua) talked of Adultery, He went into the Mind and Heart of the Act. If One even THINKS in His/Her Heart then they have COMMITTED the ACT. Yeshua didn't break the Sabbath and He certainly didn't change YHWH's appointed SIGN for HIS CHOSEN PEOPLE, SHABBAT. And remember that SHABBAT was from the Beginning. YHWH rested on HIS DAY that HE appointed an EVERLASTING INSTRUCTION(LAW, COVENANT).

Shabbat Shalom,

Tag

 

[Victorian Rose]

Thank you all for explaining this to me. I will be looking at the web sites you have posted. I had kind of thought the same as Humbleman but now see there are many differences. Again thank you.

God Bless,
Amy

 

[SavedByGrace3]

I suspect if Paul were here today, he would be writing letters to them....

 

[TheScottsMen]

I suspect if Paul were here today, he would be writing letters to them....

Amen!

 

[Victorian Rose]

I suspect if Paul were here today, he would be writing letters to them....

I think you are right. I wanted to know because of charlesinflorida's debating in other threads on this forum. I wanted to understand where he was coming from.

 

[Charlesinflorida]

I think you are right. I wanted to know because of charlesinflorida's debating in other threads on this forum. I wanted to understand where he was coming from.

Sorry to hear that,

I had hoped that you were really interested in discovering something about the church as it existed in the beginning.


Long standing traditions like those of the church do not yield easily even in the face of overwhelming scripture.

Shalom,
Charles in Florida

 

[AlabamaMan]

I think the question has been answered to head off any debate they may try to occur I am closing the thread.