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Messiah and the Covenant

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yeah, but the judas thing was predestined, and u forget moses murdered a man, thinking they would recognize his ministery, boy was he wrong by 40 years, read Acts 7. So leave Peter alone. You forget that Jesus also gave him keys, and said the father revealed this to him.

again, for your theory to stand, we gotta chuck out peter's epistles, luke's gospel and acts.

WHERE ARE YOUR "WITNESSES" THAT LUKE LIED, OR WAS MISTAKEN?

if u r gonna do the witness thing, do it for yourself too.
 
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red above, true..
 
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And then what is Ananias, chopped liver? The risen Christ told Ananias that Paul was his chosen instrument. ... Then Ananias was a false prophet. All the apostles were false prophets because they approved Paul's message.
How many accounts from first-hand witnesses to these events do we have?
 
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Wow! Matthew 7:22-23

22. "Many will say to Me on that day, `Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
23. "And then I will declare to them, `I never knew you; depart from Me, You who practice TORAHLESSNESS!

That is all.
 
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well heck, they will be defiled ritualisticially anyway, because they are TEMPLELESS, SO THAT MAKES THEM TORAHLESS.
 
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These are direct commands of The Lord Jesus. To disregard them in favor of establishing your own righteousness, IS DOING WHAT IS RIGHT IN YOUR OWN EYES! LAWLESSNESS!

If you chose to try and keep the Law of Moses, rather than what Jesus said believers would be doing, then you are a sign unto yourself.

The Law of God, that Abraham walked in, is a different story.

For Abraham walked before God in relationship as he was commanded.

Abraham walked in faith!

For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God.

A righteousness by faith!


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How many accounts from first-hand witnesses to these events do we have?

u can apply that to all the OT too, every word.

Are u ever going to tell us if Luke lied, or is mistaken in what he said, and if you think so, are you going to provide your witness against Luke?

Personally, I would not want to be a false witness, and i would be, if i did not provide my witness, that he lied or was mistaken without proof.
 
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Jesus said, the law and the prophets were until john, until..luke 16:16..

lol.

THis might be the worst argument EVER for 'trying to do away with the Law'.

3 quick reasons why.

1. If the Law and the Prophets were truly done with at the time that John's head was on the plate, we would have to kiss ALL the coming prophesies goodbye. (especially considering that not even Messiah's prophesied death had happened at that point yet.)

2. Any 7 yr. old reading child who continues reading even the book of Luke would see that even Messiah continued to preach, teach and do the Law of God.

3. The very next verse, 17 tells us that HEAVEN AND EARTH will pass away before the any part of the Law of God passes away. How ironic!!!!
 
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Some Gentiles I know of in my twon, try to act like jews, when the Holy Spirit used the father of the jews, to get rid of all the law, circumcision, judaism, ethnocentrcity, racism, nationalsim, yet our friends in the MJ churches, can't, and won't, argue Abrahamic usage from Paul, because Abraham sinks the theology.

So I see a bunch of gentiles running around town saying yeshua, and wearing talits, and trying to live torah, when they can't live torah.

Abe got the gospel, and was justified pre circumcision gen12;3, and 15;6, but they hate that fact, so they ignore the father of the jews, as these gentiles try to become jewish.
 
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Did Moses write the Torah because he had the Law or because he had relationship?


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1. Moses wrote the Words of God down, because God told Him to.
2. Moses wrote the Words of God down, because Israel needed a litmus test to verify TRUTH.
3. Moses wrote the Words of God down, so that Israel could have God's instructions for Godly living!
4. Moses wrote the Words of God down, because He had a wonderful relationship with Hashem.

The list goes on.
 
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any part of the law passed away? lol..1/3 ot the torah law went away, when the temple went down.

besides, jesus said until in 16:16, and so did paul in gal 4;2, and 3;19, the law was UNTIL the seed, gal 3:16, so u r wrong again...
 
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Gimmie something, anything, from paul and Abraham, to support your Mj teaching..1..1..1
 
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Question to you mr frog.

Gen 26:5 tells us that Abraham kept God's Torah.

Why can't you keep God's Torah?
 
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