Message shocks youths

[MatthewDiscipleofGod]

"No, it's not" ?? And we go back and forth like a couple kindergartners for the life of the thread? I'm not going to do that.

KJV Only adherents believe a lot of wrong things about the extant manuscripts, and you are apparently going to believe that Romans 8:1 originally contained wording that is actually part of v. 4 and was never part of v.1. Go ahead and believe that, if you wish. But the truth is evident for anyone who wants to investigate for themselves.And short of hauling the manuscripts to your house, how would you like me to do that? Investigate it for yourself, and stop relying on the wishful thinking of a group of pseudoscholars who cling to error for the sake of ego and being "right."

I already gave you evidence so I don't think it is too much to ask the same of you. I'm not KJV only so I didn't quote from KJV sources. I quoted from a Majority Text English translation which is not based off the same texts as the KJV even though they end up being similar in many cases. Also I quoted off the Greek Majority Text. This family is from the majority of Greek manuscripts we have, not just what was used for the KJV. Also an interesting note is that this whole verse, as I posted it, was quoted in whole by John Cassian around the fourth century. You can read it for your self at this link. You may want to do a search for the phrase "but after the Spirit.". I'll respond to any more posts in PM if they are made in this thread since I believe we are going away from the OPS original post.

 

[A Brother In Christ]

John 3:18 He that believeth on Him is not condemned; but he that believeth not is condemned .....

 

[Jazzman]

I'm also not keen on this eagerness to point out 'unsaved' christians. This quote comes to mind:

"I don’t find in the New Testament any suggestion that the visible church ought to be composed of guaranteed one-hundred-per-cent soundly converted keen Christians. If it had been, half of the epistles would not have been necessary. Yet people are always hankering after a false security, such as you would get from belonging to a church that could be seen to be all right, seen to be ‘sound’…seen? We walk by faith, not by sight. Any attempt to get a purer church, or Christian life, than we have been promised this side of heaven, runs the risk of attempting to base security, assurance of salvation, on something other than the free grace and love of God." - N.T. Wright

 

[savedfromdistruction]

There is no such thing as an unsaved Christian. If they are a Christian they are saved. What we have in the churches today is an over aboundant supply of people who claim to be Christians and are not. They need to know that they are on the wrong road. I certainly would want to know.

I'm also not keen on this eagerness to point out 'unsaved' christians. This quote comes to mind:

 

[Armistead]

Young people are still learning and it takes time for them to mature. Even though our church teaches OSAS, when someone comes during revival, ect and preaches like this, all the youth are back down on the alter getting saved again, feeling they weren't saved. It's a cycle that seems never ending.

Too many legalisms. Sin is defined by how we love others. Christ was clear..all the law is fulfuilled by loving others, not the trappings of codes of conduct created by men.

I wouldn't want him near our youth group.

 

[savedfromdistruction]

Then you probably have a youth group that is mostly lost. If they are under conviction after a salvation message then they need to be at the alter, but that will not save them either. They need to repent.
Today's youth have more excuses then varter has liver pills and sadly they are being kept in their lost condition by blind youth leaders who keep the truth from them.

Young people are still learning and it takes time for them to mature. Even though our church teaches OSAS, when someone comes during revival, ect and preaches like this, all the youth are back down on the alter getting saved again, feeling they weren't saved. It's a cycle that seems never ending.

Too many legalisms. Sin is defined by how we love others. Christ was clear..all the law is fulfuilled by loving others, not the trappings of codes of conduct created by men.

I wouldn't want him near our youth group.

 

[WarEagle]

Then you probably have a youth group that is mostly lost. If they are under conviction after a salvation message then they need to be at the alter, but that will not save them either. They need to repent.
Today's youth have more excuses then Carter's has liver pills and sadly they are being kept in their lost condition by blind youth leaders who keep the truth from them.

Preaching the Gospel to our youth is something that the church is failing miserably at, today.

We must think they're idiots or something because, while we should be preaching the Gospel to the lost kids, and teaching the Bible to the saved kids, all we're doing is shoving pizza down their throats and trying to figure out how to make Jesus "hip".

Our youth group is very small, but I'm proud to say that it's a very good one. We don't just teach rote memorization of scripture, like many youth groups do, we actually roll our sleeves up and teach doctrine.

My conscience is clean because I know that every one of those kids has heard the Gospel plainly and clearly.

 

[jbaker]

i liked it. i just wished he would have provided biblical examples of when he said that we should use the good book to test our faith. all im saying is that i could use some passages to do that with. thats all

 

[Jazzman]

There is no such thing as an unsaved Christian. If they are a Christian they are saved. What we have in the churches today is an over aboundant supply of people who claim to be Christians and are not. They need to know that they are on the wrong road. I certainly would want to know.

Savedfromdestruction - so how, if you don't mind me asking, do you know you are in fact saved from destruction?