Message for Atheists

[Erock83]

No sorry, you are quite wrong. There was nothing supernatural or all-knowing about him. He vehemently repulsed all attempts to raise his status, and resisted all attempts to create effigies or portraits of him through the simple concern that people would deify him. Buddhists are strongly encouraged, from the first, to question all statements and facts laid before them, as truth (kalamaSuttra)
and to discern for themselves the veracity of anything to the point of examining a subject exhaustively. And he included his own teachings as topics for the same scrutiny.

e.g. the statement kill the Buddha

 

[rahul_sharma]

As long as Atheists are not mocking or creating trouble for my religion, i don't have any problem with them. An Atheist with good Karma's is much better than a believer with bad karmas as per my religion. I believe living life of an Atheist is much better than life of an extremist religious person who dreams to destroy other religions and civilizations just because they are not right as per his beliefs, who use insane theories of Heaven and Hell to divide humanity and gain converts.

 

[Erock83]

Wow if your enemy is hate than quite posting such hateful, uninformed things. Freud and Darwin ended the family unit. What’s next blacks are the cause of all crime? Are you kidding me. Right now I’m ashamed to be a Catholic.

One Love

The hate and ignorance in this paper is simple. It points out how advancement in political, social, and scientific taught are bad. This simply could not be further from the case. This paper makes an advocacy for the point that we should just only talk about God and nothing more, you have to be joking right. The bible is not a social book, sure there is social commentary from the personal level but never does it state that we should pick capitalism , nor does it state that other from of economic are bad. It does not say that we should discriminate people because of race, gender, or sexual orientation, as this paper does (more the latter of the three). Never and I repeat never does the bible say that any form of government (aside from dictatorship) is bad. In fact if you take a look at the biblical principle, that all are equal in the eyes of God that makes a tangential case for socialism (in a pure utopian from), and also is a complete rejection of the class based society that we currently have hand this paper advocates.

One Love

 

[Moros]

73%?

 

[Eudaimonist]

By 1981 - 73% of the world was Communist

170 million had died since Fatima


We all commit sin, I'm not blaming anyone in this post, to sin is part of our human nature, but some atheist forget that over the past century they have committed more atrocities than all the other religions together, people like Stalin, Mao, Hitler and many others were in fact all atheists...

Who has done these terrible things? I'm neither a communist nor a fascist. Atheism does not imply a particular moral code, politics, or way of life.

I am, in fact, an advocate of free market capitalism and constitutionally limited, peaceful government. I oppose collectivism and the idea that it is okay to sacrifice the lives, dignity, and freedom of individuals to the State. I advocate the idea that all individuals have the right to pursue their happiness and well-being through peaceful, productive means that respect the humanity of other individuals. I would never have supported those atrocities.

I am not responsible for promoting the evil ideas that those dictators did. I take offense at being lumped in with those maniacs. Should I make you responsible for Spanish Inquisition, Crusades, etc?

 

[SecretOfFatima]

The hate and ignorance in this paper is simple. It points out how advancement in political, social, and scientific taught are bad. This simply could not be further from the case. This paper makes an advocacy for the point that we should just only talk about God and nothing more, you have to be joking right. The bible is not a social book, sure there is social commentary from the personal level but never does it state that we should pick capitalism , nor does it state that other from of economic are bad. It does not say that we should discriminate people because of race, gender, or sexual orientation, as this paper does (more the latter of the three). Never and I repeat never does the bible say that any form of government (aside from dictatorship) is bad. In fact if you take a look at the biblical principle, that all are equal in the eyes of God that makes a tangential case for socialism (in a pure utopian from), and also is a complete rejection of the class based society that we currently have hand this paper advocates.

One Love

Does everyone else agreed that the document represents Erock83 view?


May the Lord bless you and keep you.
May the Lord let his face shine on you and be gracious to you.
May the Lord uncover his face to you and bring you peace.

 

[AlexandraB]

e.g. the statement kill the Buddha

And I take it that you understand what he meant by that....?

 

[Erock83]

And I take it that you understand what he meant by that....?

Are you asking if I have a surface level understand of that statement? Then yes, do I think there are many valuable lessons to be learned from that statement as Christian? Yes. There are many similarities between the two schools of thought. Especially when talking about the nature of free thinking.

One Love.

 

[Ryal Kane]

No sorry, you are quite wrong. There was nothing supernatural or all-knowing about him. He vehemently repulsed all attempts to raise his status, and resisted all attempts to create effigies or portraits of him through the simple concern that people would deify him. Buddhists are strongly encouraged, from the first, to question all statements and facts laid before them, as truth (kalamaSuttra)
and to discern for themselves the veracity of anything to the point of examining a subject exhaustively. And he included his own teachings as topics for the same scrutiny.

Cool. I've always wondered about the buddhust statue thing. Wasn't he suppose to be thing? t just shows how religions can turn from their initial tenants over time.
I think the same thing happened with Christianity. Jesus spoke of forgiveness and charity but over time it was overshadowed by Jesus worship, allowing the ideal themselves to be potentially overlooked.

 

[SecretOfFatima]

Does everyone else agreed that the document represents Erock83 view?


May the Lord bless you and keep you.
May the Lord let his face shine on you and be gracious to you.
May the Lord uncover his face to you and bring you peace.

Any response to this question?


May the Lord bless you and keep you.
May the Lord let his face shine on you and be gracious to you.
May the Lord uncover his face to you and bring you peace.

 

[Erock83]

Any response to this question?


May the Lord bless you and keep you.
May the Lord let his face shine on you and be gracious to you.
May the Lord uncover his face to you and bring you peace.

Just because no one wants to respond to your question does not make your argument any better. If you want to prove me wrong than do so, don’t rely on others to prove your point for you. If you can’t substantiate your own view points then don’t bother bringing them up and don’t complain when some one tears them down either. The only thing I see here is you posting an article that is trying to deconstruct society, and advancement of equality. I provide reason why my point is valid. You do nothing but ask if someone else will argue for you. Which means one of two things either you can’t support this view point, or two you don’t want to try to support morally repugnant ground.

One Love

 

[AlexandraB]

Are you asking if I have a surface level understand of that statement?

What do you mean by a surface level understanding?
You've lost me there...

Ryalkane...
The Buddha finally relented, understanding that people sometimes need a focus on which to place their attention. His proviso wqzs that it should only be an image,a nd not a likeness.
A friend in the uk comissioned a beautiful statue in her garden, of the buddha. it was lifesize, and in place of the features was an oval mirror.... so that
TThe Buddha I see when I gaze at thee, is the Buddha I see that is within me."

 

[SecretOfFatima]

Just because no one wants to respond to your question does not make your argument any better. If you want to prove me wrong than do so, don’t rely on others to prove your point for you. If you can’t substantiate your own view points then don’t bother bringing them up and don’t complain when some one tears them down either. The only thing I see here is you posting an article that is trying to deconstruct society, and advancement of equality. I provide reason why my point is valid. You do nothing but ask if someone else will argue for you. Which means one of two things either you can’t support this view point, or two you don’t want to try to support morally repugnant ground.

One Love

Look I’m trying to be honest here, first this thread seems to me as is deviating from the original point I was trying to make, neverless I have tried to see what point I missed in the article(link), but I still cannot see your point, because I do not necessarily disagreed with what you have said in particular about the bible either but what you said about the article does not seem to represent what the article is all about, you are saying the article is enciting hate as you pointed out in your comments, that is why I asked you to copy and past from the article so that I can see exactly what have I missed so that I can amend this post if I have posted something incorrectly (PM if you wish).



Yes, You have respond to my question, but you responded just like if I was a politician or some other sofisticated lawyer... Remember English is not my first language.

Maybe you should consider running for the elections, you would be really good at it because you talk just like a politician. Please don’t ask me to explain. I'm not at your level of comunication so this is why I would like to see what other people have to say.

Have you actually read the all article?


May the Lord bless you and keep you.
May the Lord let his face shine on you and be gracious to you.
May the Lord uncover his face to you and bring you peace.

 

[Osiris]

Does everyone else agreed that the document represents Erock83 view?

I somewhat agree... because your copy/paste article assumes that

- communism = atheism just because of what some few atheists did... (as it was pointed out by previous members)
- it assumes that all atheists believe the same thing, when atheism is not a religion!

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Your copy/past article's fallacy is that, if all atheists are communists because of what some few people then,... all catholics are priests which are child molesters. or all humans are drug addicts because some humans have been drug addicts.

 

[SecretOfFatima]

I somewhat agree... because your copy/paste article assumes that

- communism = atheism just because of what some few atheists did... (as it was pointed out by previous members)
- it assumes that all atheists believe the same thing, when atheism is not a religion!

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Your copy/past article's fallacy is that, if all atheists are communists because of what some few people then,... all catholics are priests which are child molesters. or all humans are drug addicts because some humans have been drug addicts.

Like I said before, I'm not blaming anyone for this or that, we all agreed that this were actions of individuals, and maybe I should not have posted this thread but if only I had euro notes for every time that someone points out the wars caused by religion, which I don't disagree either, but people need to be aware that some of the biggest atrocities have been committed outside of any religious beliefs, as atheists will go on making this point I felt that I had to make this point so that people can remember that religion is not always the cause, in fact persecution of those who belief in GOD is often the reason.


May the Lord bless you and keep you.
May the Lord let his face shine on you and be gracious to you.
May the Lord uncover his face to you and bring you peace.

 

[Osiris]

Like I said before, I'm not blaming anyone for this or that, we all agreed that this were actions of individuals, and maybe I should not have posted this thread but if only I had euro notes for every time that someone points out the wars caused by religion, which I don't disagree either, but people need to be aware that some of the biggest atrocities have been committed outside of any religious beliefs, as atheists will go on making this point I felt that I had to make this point so that people can remember that religion is not always the cause, in fact persecution of those who belief in GOD is often the reason.

So, what are you implying? That it is okay that religion caused attrocities since bigger attrocities may have been caused by non-religious forces (such as communists, atheists, hurricanes, tsunamies, etc.)?

 

[Brennin]

Hitler was not an atheist.

Right.

 

[Brennin]

What I think you have failed to see is that everything has an evil.

• The holy crusades

I, for one, do not have a problem with the Crusades (excepting the 4th and Albigensian Crusades).

 

[Erock83]

Look I’m trying to be honest here, first this thread seems to me as is deviating from the original point I was trying to make, neverless I have tried to see what point I missed in the article(link), but I still cannot see your point, because I do not necessarily disagreed with what you have said in particular about the bible either but what you said about the article does not seem to represent what the article is all about, you are saying the article is enciting hate as you pointed out in your comments, that is why I asked you to copy and past from the article so that I can see exactly what have I missed so that I can amend this post if I have posted something incorrectly (PM if you wish).



Yes, You have respond to my question, but you responded just like if I was a politician or some other sofisticated lawyer... Remember English is not my first language.

Maybe you should consider running for the elections, you would be really good at it because you talk just like a politician. Please don’t ask me to explain. I'm not at your level of comunication so this is why I would like to see what other people have to say.

Have you actually read the all article?


May the Lord bless you and keep you.
May the Lord let his face shine on you and be gracious to you.
May the Lord uncover his face to you and bring you peace.

Well you do quite a good job with English my hats off to you. Well I’m going to school in Journalism, with and emphasis in social/governmental/journalistic criticism so thanks for the complement.

The problem that is see with the article aside from saying that leftist ideas are bad, is that it states that advancement in different fields is bad. Even if you don’t agree with Freud, Marx, or Darwin, you must recognize their contributions to their fields. If we don’t then we will lose those ideas, we just can’t blindly reject everything that we don’t like, had the paper been a response to Einstein’s essays on Anarchy. My response would be the same, that knowledge is paramount. For two reasons one information is power at the point a group of people can restrict information from another the former has thus taken power from the latter. Second is because furthering our knowledge about this world and how it works will only further our understanding of God.

If there is any question about how the article is hateful other can coming from an elitist point of view. The wording and text of the article points out homosexuals and communist are sinners? While you can find biblical support for the former you can’t and will be unable to find support of the later. That does not mean that either homosexuals or communist should not be allowed in society or in church. You will not be able to find support biblical or otherwise for that. If they are indeed sinners then there is not better place for them than beside me at Church on Sunday.
Yes I did take the time to read the article.
One Love

 

[Eudaimonist]

Right.

I'm glad you agree.