Message for Atheists

[SecretOfFatima]

[DUE TO SOME OF THE RESPONSES I RECEIVED IN THIS POST I HAVE DECIDED TO AMEND MY WORDS IN THIS POST SO THAT THE MESSAGE I WAS TRYING TO PUT FORWARD BECOMES SIMPLY, CLEAR AND HOPEFULLY DO NOT OFFEND ANYONE ELSE, MY APOLIGIES IF HAVE I OFFENDED ANYONE, THAT WAS NOT MY INTENTION]

Here is small extract from

http://www.unitypublishing.com/Apparitions/FatimaBook.html



By 1981 - 73% of the world was Communist

170 million had died since Fatima


The point I was trying to make, it that religian is not always the cause for all attrocities or wars ...individuals like Stalin, Mao, Hitler and many others did not believe in GOD or the words of GOD in the bible.

Thank GOD these people have been stopped.



May the Lord bless you and keep you.
May the Lord let his face shine on you and be gracious to you.
May the Lord uncover his face to you and bring you peace.

 

[Tripod]

What I think you have failed to see is that everything has an evil.

• The holy crusades
• The many relgious wars against catholic and protestant (eg drake and the spanish armarda)
• The KKK
• Religion inspired terrorism
• Witch burnings
• The Roman Catholic Church encouraging people not to use comdoms by saying it does not work against the AIDS virus.
• Extermists saying vaccines (e.g. Polio vaccine) would cause diahorrea and impotence in people (this is because they found the vaccines against their relgion).

I respect your view even if I disagree with it. I just want to point out all walks of life have done something bad and "evil" in their time.

 

[SecretOfFatima]

What I think you have failed to see is that everything has an evil.

• The holy crusades
• The many relgious wars against catholic and protestant (eg drake and the spanish armarda)
• The KKK
• Religion inspired terrorism
• Witch burnings
• The Roman Catholic Church encouraging people not to use comdoms by saying it does not work against the AIDS virus.
• Extermists saying vaccines (e.g. Polio vaccine) would cause diahorrea and impotence in people (this is because they found the vaccines against their relgion).

I respect your view even if I disagree with it. I just want to point out all walks of life have done something bad and "evil" in their time.

Please read my post again and your post.
Wake up from the culture of death around us!

I hope you don't think this facts are right, because your post above just justified the culture of death that sorround us all.
http://priestsforlife.org/resources/abortionimages/archive1.htm
http://priestsforlife.org/resources/abortionimages/additionalimagesaborted.htm
http://priestsforlife.org/resources/abortionimages/archive3.htm

Please don't be blind anymore and wakeup.

The bible teaches us about live not killing!



May the Lord bless you and keep you.
May the Lord let his face shine on you and be gracious to you.
May the Lord uncover his face to you and bring you peace.

 

[Tenka]

Hitler?

Regardless of what Hitler believed, the majority of Germany was catholic at that time. Hitler didn't personally commit each killing by himself, he had a catholic christian army doing it for him.

I’m not going to answer to any argument which may arise from this post

That would be trolling.

 

[NOSELF]

I am a Buddhist and I am an atheist. I would have to say that the vast majority of Buddhists are atheists. Name me one atrocity that was EVER committed in the name of Buddhism, just one. War? violent coup? One atrocity in 2500 years.
We are proof in Buddhism that you dont need a God. We are proof that man does not need a supernatural all knowing power to live a moral, peaceful, cooperative existence.

 

[Lokisdottir]

Hitler was not an atheist.

 

[Lynden1000]

So what if they were atheist? If they were, that would be the only thing I would have in common with them.

I strongly suspect that Mao, Stalin, and Hitler disbelieved in the existence of werewolves, but I don't think Christians will start believing in werewolves just to avoid sharing an opinion with the three.

 

[marblehead]

Not all atheists are communists. I'm pretty sure Hitler believed in God.

Why would you post this and then say you are not going to answer any argument? Do you think that your post cannot stand up to scrutiny, so you want to ignore the arguments that may arise?

 

[polygone]

We all commit sin, I'm not blaming anyone in this post, to sin is part of our human nature, but some atheist forget that over the past century they have committed more atrocities than all the other religions together, people like Stalin, Mao, Hitler and many others were in fact all atheists...

Are you telling me that Christians haven't committed worse atrocities than Atheists? Think of all the major world religions that have been destroyed in the name of your Christian God. People like Stalin and Hitler were responsible for killing hundreds of thousands of people, but Christian Missionaries managed to *obliterate* complete religions (with millions of followers) altogether.

 

[Fuzzy]

By 1981 - 73% of the world was Communist
170 million had died since Fatima

Under various Communist regimes established between 1917 and 1981, and including people who died in World War II.

We all commit sin, I'm not blaming anyone in this post, to sin is part of our human nature, but some atheist forget that over the past century they have committed more atrocities than all the other religions together, people like Stalin, Mao, Hitler and many others were in fact all atheists...

First, you are blaming Communism for the deaths of some 120 million people.

Second,

Josef Stalin had enough of a religious upbringing to attend Tiflis Seminary.

http://www.stel.ru/stalin/young_joseph_1879-1904.htmhttp://www.stel.ru/stalin/young_joseph_1879-1904.htm
http://www.moreorless.au.com/killers/stalin.html
http://www.historyguide.org/europe/stalin.html

Did Stalin later strike out on his own, and abandon the faith of his youth? Yes. He sought power. And past leaders, who were religious, sought power as well.

I couldn't find anything on Mao Zedong's personal religious background, and while the early years of Mao's Chinese Communism allowed for religion (since to trample it might alienate the workers and peasants he was trying to lead), later policies and leaders within China either sanitized religious practices or eliminated them.

Hitler either was raised Christian (in a predominantly Christian country, both
spiritually and culturally) and practiced it during his rise to power, or could at least put on enough of a facade to convince people that Divine Providence favored the Nazi party.

the actions of those individuals

This is sufficient. The actions of the individuals.

I’m not going to answer to any argument which may arise from this post, as the only reason I posted this, was to point out to some atheists the facts which those people of faith have open their eyes and hearts, even if we do not agreed what may be right or wrong.

If you're not going to respond to a thread you started, then you're a troll.

In fact the bible does tell us to not bother preaching to gentiles (atheists) but go after those who have gone in the wrong direction from the word of GOD.

Chapter and verse?

My dictionary defines Gentiles as non-Jews, non-Mormons, Christians, or heathens (all of which may or may not be atheists). Which term is appropriate is dependent on a cultural context.

 

[SecretOfFatima]

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Under various Communist regimes established between 1917 and 1981, and including people who died in World War II.


First, you are blaming Communism for the deaths of some 120 million people.

Second,

Josef Stalin had enough of a religious upbringing to attend Tiflis Seminary.

http://www.stel.ru/stalin/young_joseph_1879-1904.htmhttp://www.stel.ru/stalin/young_joseph_1879-1904.htm
http://www.moreorless.au.com/killers/stalin.html
http://www.historyguide.org/europe/stalin.html

Did Stalin later strike out on his own, and abandon the faith of his youth? Yes. He sought power. And past leaders, who were religious, sought power as well.

I couldn't find anything on Mao Zedong's personal religious background, and while the early years of Mao's Chinese Communism allowed for religion (since to trample it might alienate the workers and peasants he was trying to lead), later policies and leaders within China either sanitized religious practices or eliminated them.

Hitler either was raised Christian (in a predominantly Christian country, both
spiritually and culturally) and practiced it during his rise to power, or could at least put on enough of a facade to convince people that Divine Providence favored the Nazi party.



This is sufficient. The actions of the individuals.

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If you're not going to respond to a thread you started, then you're a troll.



Chapter and verse?

My dictionary defines Gentiles as non-Jews, non-Mormons, Christians, or heathens (all of which may or may not be atheists). Which term is appropriate is dependent on a cultural context.

Mathew 10:5-7

 

[Fuzzy]

Mathew 10:5-7

From the New American Bbile at http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/index.htm

Jesus sent out these twelve after instructing them thus, "Do not go into pagan territory or enter a Samaritan town. Go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. As you go, make this proclamation: 'The kingdom of heaven is at hand.'

From the Revised Standard at http://www.hti.umich.edu/r/rsv/browse.html

These twelve Jesus sent out, charging them, "Go nowhere among the Gentiles, and enter no town of the Samaritans, but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And preach as you go, saying, `The kingdom of heaven is at hand.'


So. Unless you're of the house of Israel, you shouldn't be witnessed to anyway?

 

[I_are_sceptical]

We are proof in Buddhism that you dont need a God. We are proof that man does not need a supernatural all knowing power to live a moral, peaceful, cooperative existence.

But you needed Siddhartha Gautama. From what very little I have heard of Buddhism, there are other Buddhas and people who are in the process of becoming Buddhas (Boddhisatvas?). But if anyone says "the Buddha" they are referring to one specific individual. He was special, He stands above all the rest. Without Him - His teachings, His actions - your religion would not exist.

I therefore submit the possibility that, despite what Buddhists believe these days, Buddha WAS a supernatural all-knowing power, just like Baha'u'llah, the Founder of my religion.

 

[xAtheistx]

Hitler was not an atheist.

I'm pretty sure Hitler believed in God.

Hitler only pretended to believe in a creator, right OP?
Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

Not all atheists are communists.

Communism ≠ Atheism
Atheism ≠ Communism


Communist dictators suppress religion. Rational atheists do not approve of this.

 

[Erock83]

[url="http://www.unitypublishing.com/Apparitions/FatimaBook.html /QUOTE"]http://www.unitypublishing.com/Apparitions/FatimaBook.html [/url]

Wow if your enemy is hate than quite posting such hateful, uninformed things. Freud and Darwin ended the family unit. What’s next blacks are the cause of all crime? Are you kidding me. Right now I’m ashamed to be a Catholic.

One Love

 

[nogodknowpeace]

Hitler thought he was doing gods work.

I would agree that some atheists have done a lot of damage.

 

[Erock83]

Hitler thought he was doing gods work.

So does Bush that does not mean that both are complete loons
One Love

 

[SecretOfFatima]

Wow if your enemy is hate than quite posting such hateful, uninformed things. Freud and Darwin ended the family unit. What’s next blacks are the cause of all crime? Are you kidding me. Right now I’m ashamed to be a Catholic.

One Love

I know I am a little slow sometimes...

Why would the link above be hateful?

Have I missed something in the article that makes you believe those points?

Could you please highlight for me the part which make you come to those conclusions.



May the Lord bless you and keep you.
May the Lord let his face shine on you and be gracious to you.
May the Lord uncover his face to you and bring you peace.

 

[Erock83]

I know I am a little slow sometimes...

Why would the link above be hateful?

Have I missed something in the article that makes you believe those points?

Could you please highlight for me the part which make you come to those conclusions.



May the Lord bless you and keep you.
May the Lord let his face shine on you and be gracious to you.
May the Lord uncover his face to you and bring you peace.

1) no warrant – how does information about the world around us make God not exist no explanation
2) no standard – why should I buy this where is the bible does it state that we should not attempt to explain the world around us? Where does it reject education, if it did would the Pope sanction the Jesuits? I don’t think so
3) no impact – why do scientific explanations of nature hurt Christians they don’t If God created(in one way or another) everything we see then scientific discoveries and revelations provide a further understanding of God as well as the world around us.

 

[AlexandraB]

I therefore submit the possibility that, despite what Buddhists believe these days, Buddha WAS a supernatural all-knowing power, just like Baha'u'llah, the Founder of my religion.

No sorry, you are quite wrong. There was nothing supernatural or all-knowing about him. He vehemently repulsed all attempts to raise his status, and resisted all attempts to create effigies or portraits of him through the simple concern that people would deify him. Buddhists are strongly encouraged, from the first, to question all statements and facts laid before them, as truth (kalamaSuttra)
and to discern for themselves the veracity of anything to the point of examining a subject exhaustively. And he included his own teachings as topics for the same scrutiny.