Meribah, pretty kool

[Chickapee]

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most of the time , so Do i , lol God Bless you and yours sis !

 

[angelmom01]

I could see how we might be... proved at the waters of Meribah.

Just as God said He would "prove Israel, whether they will keep the way of the LORD to walk therein, as their fathers did keep it, or not."

Jesus said: "Why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?"

Are we "hearers only" and not "doers"?

And concerning strife and contention....

James speaks of those who "offend not in word", saying "the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body."


So while others may try to (deliberately.. or not) PROVOKE US to something other than LOVE .. if we "don't take the bait" (so to speak ).. and we are "not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good"... then are we not "proved" (tested) at "the waters of Meribah"?

Provided we "passed the test"...(not sure I've been "proved" there, yet :o... though I guess one could be "proved" one way or the other... either obedient or disobedient.)

 

[FirenWater]

I could see how we might be... proved at the waters of Meribah.

Just as God said He would "prove Israel, whether they will keep the way of the LORD to walk therein, as their fathers did keep it, or not."

Jesus said: "Why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?"

Are we "hearers only" and not "doers"?

It seems very much any of us could sis, it speaks of those things as examples not to do as they did. Sometimes bad examples set forth (not to follow) are equally as important as good examples (we are encouraged to follow). It speaks of us all doing so, "sometimes" darkness or "sometimes" disobedient, even our obedience is fulfilled. Seems to imply we learn to do right by His assistance (His chastisement) if we are exercised by it.


If the waters of Meribah are as the waters of strife, where it is said they were proved (at) of Him... it would appear to indicate (to me) the Lord who examines us even in such places we might pass through similiarly (experiencially rather). Afterall theres a trying of our faith, even coming to the obedience of the faith, a learning of Christ (a putting on of Him) and a putting off of the old man as well.



If we have learned Christ, we are learning He is meek and lowly of heart,


In contrast we begin to percieve



Prov 28:25 He that is of a proud heart stirreth up strife

After the same manner of heart shows a strife (here and elsewhere) after the same, even among his own disciples


Luke 22:24And there was also a strife among them, which of them should be accounted the greatest.


So we are admonished...


2Tim 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,...


Which is pretty kool that Jesus (in both places) come in gentle unto them to adress their strivings...which speaks to the same kind of example here


Titus 3:2 To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.


Below shows meekness to these as well,


2Tim 2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

And concerning strife and contention....

James speaks of those who "offend not in word", saying "the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body."


So while others may try to (deliberately.. or not) PROVOKE US to something other than LOVE .. if we "don't take the bait" (so to speak ).. and we are "not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good"... then are we not "proved" (tested) at "the waters of Meribah"?

Provided we "passed the test"...(not sure I've been "proved" there, yet :o... though I guess one could be "proved" one way or the other... either obedient or disobedient.)

Yes sis I think they apply well I think we see what we are made of to others (even to ourselves) by the way we handle a convesation. I have been higly disapointed in myself in answering again (when provoked) or participating in provoking, and have felt ashamed I did it, knowing better. When you begin to feel like that enough some changes occur. Everything might seem like you made some progress, then another time comes and you might do well, at another time (perhaps not). You become more conscious of what you say. Mine problem is jesting, that has come to me not to do that. Im trying to find my limitations, which is not easy. Thats ingrained in me. But more and more I find I am aware of it and want to out it off and cease for a time, and pick it up again. And where I was once not convicted of it I am now. But I havent overcome the urge to indulge it, less so but its like this knee jerk reaction to it. Its my device actually. I do it to break the ice, but also to avoid confrontation, and for other reasons but I am now uncomfortable doing what used to make me feel the most comfortable... very strange how that has changed for me, though my partice of fully ceasing from it has not come to fruition yet. I actually just feel uncomfortable in it (to the degree I indulged in it).

I got a ways to go in that


If the perfect man is of the full age, he is not walking as men (strife, and envy) that which is from below but walking as Christ walked that's how I understand it. Even as Christ said, "He that is perfect shall be as His Master"

Can you imagine? Thats so awesome! Then when I look at my sorry self I have to not feel so defeated


He creates the fruits of the lips, so I would think our place is somewhat known by the fruits we manifest even there (as to where we are) in respects to our abiding in Him, even in the midst of some of our conversations (in meekness, which is of Christ) is shown "out of" (that abiding). Even as a wholesome tongue is likened to a tree of life as well.

As much is He is put on (so to speak) or as much as our old man is put off, in our continuance. I am still putting off


Much of his conversation in religious circles, was met with folks trying to entangle him in his talk, or of those lying in wait for him for the sole purpose of catching something out of his mouth to accuse Him. To me, it very much ressembles the same thing we see among oursleves somewhat. That warring, fighting, who is the greatest, strifes, contentions, debates etc.

Even of heresies Paul said...


2Cr 11:19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.


So the the approved are to be made manifest, even as the Sons of God are manifest (just as the children of the devil are manifest)

Romans 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,




Psalm 59:7 Behold, they belch out with their mouth: swords are in their lips: for who, say they, doth hear?


Same patterns of conversations and intents of hearts



Isaiah 58:4 Behold, ye fast for strife and debate, and to smite with the fist of wickedness: ye shall not fast as ye do this day, to make your voice to be heard on high.



Mat 22:15 Then went the Pharisees, and took counsel how they might entangle him in his talk.



We are to consider...


Heb 12:3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lestye be wearied and faint in your minds.



Likewise theres a trying of our faith...


James 1:3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.



"Lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds" speaks to me of the same sufferings in some respects even as Jesus likewise says...


Rev 2:3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.



And Hebrews to the context found in Christ as it pertains to what he endured against himself.


Gal 6:9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.


Patient continuance, "thou hast patience" (as tribulation worketh patience)


1Peter 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth , though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:



Prov 20:3 It is an honour for a man to cease from strife: but every fool will be meddling.



You can really go everywheres with these things, I havent found an end yet



Prov 13:3 Hethat keepeth his mouth keepeth his life: but he that openeth wide his lips shall have destruction.


Peter speaks of he that loveth life and desires to see good days keep his mouth from guile. Yet we know no man can tame the tongue. So could it be safely assumed the training of our little members come from the Heavenly Fathers chastisement? His reccompense ( a reward in our bosom for letting loose and a reward just the same for bridling) in some way? Because it is its own retribution (so to speak) after a sowing and reaping principle.


Trained by His chastisement. Of which, is not a joyous experience but as noted by Peter, but a grievous one. Or even (perhaps) perceived as a lack of those "good days" he speaks of it (in relation to our own mouths). This (to me) speaks to how intimately involved in our growing up in Christ. Even of an experience (perceived as grievous in nature) come when we have done wrong and are met by it of Him (and even trained by it).

You bring up something to consider, add more if you can, since this is of great interest to me actually

God bless you sis