Meribah, pretty kool

[FirenWater]

I just snipped a small section of this out of my study but it come to mind because me and riverrat were talking and that brought back to my mind this study again. It was supposed I had patience (but I dont really) I have fear ... ok no laughing matter really (still working on that). But I thought, heck why not start a study on that? Rather then posting the whole thing, I snipped out of it and thought I'd leave room to see what others come up with, its more fun that way (well I think). Pauls speaks of some things as examples (and of what not to do). Theres good examples and bad examples I have been one or the other at one time or another myself. Though I'd rather think I was only a good one, thats just so not true

Anyway, was looking at Meribah and what it could spiritually signify

Psalm 81:7 Thou calledst in trouble, and I delivered thee; I answered thee in the secret place of thunder: I proved thee at the waters of Meribah.


Meribah = "strife" or "contention"



And likewise it says...

Prov 17:14 The beginning of strife is as when one letteth out water: therefore leave off contention, before it be meddled with.


And here striving is adressed

2Ti 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

And contention here...



Romans 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,


Then striving for masteries, or striving lawfully


2Titus 2:5 And if a man also strive for masteries, [yet] is he not crowned,except he strive lawfully.


Whereas it says here...

Heb 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.


Whereas it says...

Prov 17:19 He loveth transgression that loveth strife: and he that exalteth his gate seeketh destruction.

Whereas it speaks of pride going before destruction (just the same) and actually shows among the disciples themselves, "that there was a strife among them concerning who was the greatest" (which again would mirror the pride prior, even that exalting ones gate) it speaks of. I left off posting it.

This one too, I was looking at (highlighted only in the present context)


2Cr 12:20 For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults:

However, this one is interesting to me in other ways though, if you count them, theres 8 listed, and whats sorta neat about that is that it speaks (in the OT) about causing the unclean spirit to pass out of the land, Jesus adresses that as well. Saying when an unclean spirit comes out of a man, and then speaks of the house garnishes etc, and that one bringing seven more wicked then itself back into the house.

1+7=8 (and Paul lists 8 ironically). Thats the extent of my basic math, SpiritInTruth would be so proud Another subject all together (agreed).

But I thought it would be an interesting study. Just inviting you guys to post verse speaking to strife, strife, contention, being contentious etc. Whatever you find, and how that applies to us as servants of the Lord.

In otherwords, finding agreement on the things written concerning the topic at hand (basically on strife) ...which ironically is sorta funny (if you think about it).

Post away

 

[riverrat]

Lk 22:24 And there arose also a dispute among them a to which one of them was regarded to be the greatest.

1Cor 3:3 For you are still fleshly. For since there is jealousy and strife among you, are you not fleshly, and are you not walking like mere men?

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

No doubt the children of Israel chode with Moses and with the Lord over the lack of water in the wilderness. But have you considered the sign given in the Rock, and how it was smitten? Not to get off topic, but please let me share Fire.

In Numbers 20:8-11 we get a better account of why the Lord did not allow Moses and Aaron to enter into the promised land. The Lord said...

Numbers 20:8;"Take the rod, and gather thou the assembly together, thou, and Aaron thy brother, and speak ye unto the rock before their eyes; and it shall bring forth water, and thou shalt bring forth to them water out of the rock: so thou shalt give the congregation and their beasts drink."

9."And Moses took the rod from before the Lord, as he commanded him."
10."And Moses and Aaron gathered the congregation together before the rock, and said unto them, Hear now, ye rebels; must we fetch you water out of this rock?

11."And Moses lifted up his hand, and with the rod he smote the rock twice: and the water came out abundantly, and the congregation drank, and their beasts also."

First thing, notice the Lord told Moses and Aaron to speak to the rock, and the water would come out.

But Moses proclaimed with pride; "must we fetch you water out of this rock?"

And then instead of speaking to the rock, he smote it. Not once, but twice.

This was a sign given to show how certain of Israel would smite the Shepherd, the Rock of the Lord.

Jesus said in Mark 14:27; All you shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered.

Jesus is that Rock of offence.

Isaiah 8:14;"And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem."

The Lord is that Rock which brings forth the living waters to the congregation of the Lord.

Jeremiah 17:13;"O Lord, the hope of Israel, all that forsake thee shall be ashamed, and they that depart from me shall be written in the earth, because they have forsaken the Lord, the fountain of living waters."

Because Israel, like Moses, gave not the glory to God they were kept out of the land of promise for a time.

Numbers 27:14;"For you rebelled against my commandment in the desert of Zin, in the strife of the congregation, to sanctify me at the water before their eyes: that is the water of Meribah in Kadesh in the wilderness of Zin."

And the sad truth is, Moses struck the Rock twice.

Gotta go Fire, Peace.

 

[FirenWater]

Lk 22:24 And there arose also a dispute among them a to which one of them was regarded to be the greatest.

1Cor 3:3 For you are still fleshly. For since there is jealousy and strife among you, are you not fleshly, and are you not walking like mere men?

Awesome riverrat! Thanks for replying Thats the one, amen!


Abraham had the right idea too,

Gen 13:18 And Abram said unto Lot, Let there be no strife, I pray thee, between me and thee, and between my herdmen and thy herdmen; for we be brethren.


Romans 13:13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.


This is what they lived for

Isaiah 58:4 Behold, ye fast for strife and debate, and to smite with the fist of wickedness: ye shall not fast as ye do this day, to make your voice to be heard on high.

Adressed here as well...


James 3:14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.


James 3:16 For where envying and strife is, (((there))) is confusion and every evil work.



Phil 2:3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.

^ Thats the one I was telling ya about, convicted me (shut my mouth!)


Phil 1:15 Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will:


Even the last one shows some can preach Christ of this envy and strife, but is contrasted against what others do it in (in good will).

Got both in there

Psalm 120:7 I am for peace: but when I speak, they are for war.

^Forum flashbacks



James 4:1 From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?

Yeah, I get it now, I gotta not obey that thing (in me) even when being provoked or enticed to it through another. Its just not worth it. Heck, Moses was the most humblest man on earth and he spake unadvisedly through their provocation

Psalm 106:33 Because theyprovoked his spirit, so that he spake unadvisedly with his lips.

Theres times I wanna say something so bad! Know the feeling, I think Moses did too.

(down boy down!)

So its interesting they are PROVED at these particular waters though, and the name of the place where they were proved was the place of strife and contention. Makes you think dont it?

 

[FirenWater]

No doubt the children of Israel chode with Moses and with the Lord over the lack of water in the wilderness. But have you considered the sign given in the Rock, and how it was smitten? Not to get off topic, but please let me share Fire.

In Numbers 20:8-11 we get a better account of why the Lord did not allow Moses and Aaron to enter into the promised land. The Lord said...

Numbers 20:8;"Take the rod, and gather thou the assembly together, thou, and Aaron thy brother, and speak ye unto the rock before their eyes; and it shall bring forth water, and thou shalt bring forth to them water out of the rock: so thou shalt give the congregation and their beasts drink."

9."And Moses took the rod from before the Lord, as he commanded him."
10."And Moses and Aaron gathered the congregation together before the rock, and said unto them, Hear now, ye rebels; must we fetch you water out of this rock?

11."And Moses lifted up his hand, and with the rod he smote the rock twice: and the water came out abundantly, and the congregation drank, and their beasts also."

First thing, notice the Lord told Moses and Aaron to speak to the rock, and the water would come out.

But Moses proclaimed with pride; "must we fetch you water out of this rock?"

And then instead of speaking to the rock, he smote it. Not once, but twice.

This was a sign given to show how certain of Israel would smite the Shepherd, the Rock of the Lord.

Jesus said in Mark 14:27; All you shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered.

Jesus is that Rock of offence.

Isaiah 8:14;"And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem."

The Lord is that Rock which brings forth the living waters to the congregation of the Lord.

Jeremiah 17:13;"O Lord, the hope of Israel, all that forsake thee shall be ashamed, and they that depart from me shall be written in the earth, because they have forsaken the Lord, the fountain of living waters."

Because Israel, like Moses, gave not the glory to God they were kept out of the land of promise for a time.

Numbers 27:14;"For you rebelled against my commandment in the desert of Zin, in the strife of the congregation, to sanctify me at the water before their eyes: that is the water of Meribah in Kadesh in the wilderness of Zin."

And the sad truth is, Moses struck the Rock twice.

Gotta go Fire, Peace.

I cant agree more SpiritInTruth. This is a great post my brother, beautifully put

Hey... where you been bro? Hunting things?

Come back, you cant go

Your not allowed to have a life (lol)

((hugs bro)) Its kool, catch you later bro, thanks for your reply, God bless you

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Kinda being a spectator right now, just sitting on the sidelines and popping in on different forums from time to time.

I found out through hunting that it is much harder to hit a moving target.

I suppose once I get wintered in you'll be hearing alot more of me, Lord willing of course.

Keep up the good work, and fight the good fight. Peace.

 

[FirenWater]

Go get em' tiger!

Hey, I got cha to post a smilie

Have you any idea how hard that has been for me to get you to perform that?

Well I'll miss you being more of a spectator, but I get it, you dont want to talk about nothing, which is something I do indulge in from time to time.

Im not completely purged

How about some company while hunting? Because I can call ya while your up in a treetop or something like that?

I bet you dont bring your cell phone... The ringing might deter the prey and defeat the purpose Im thinking.

If your hunting deer, do it at night in your car. Make sure to put your highbeams on and blow your horn while driving a reasonable speed and you will get one everytime...Im tellin' ya bro...Deer love cars, highbeams and horns.

It sure beats climbing trees (and having to be quiet for hours). Not to mention the bugs (Im not too big on those)

Stop back from time to time to talk about nothing with me till "something" comes

The Lord bless you bro ((hugs))

 

[C R F]

No doubt the children of Israel chode with Moses and with the Lord over the lack of water in the wilderness. But have you considered the sign given in the Rock, and how it was smitten? Not to get off topic, but please let me share Fire.

In Numbers 20:8-11 we get a better account of why the Lord did not allow Moses and Aaron to enter into the promised land. The Lord said...

Numbers 20:8;"Take the rod, and gather thou the assembly together, thou, and Aaron thy brother, and speak ye unto the rock before their eyes; and it shall bring forth water, and thou shalt bring forth to them water out of the rock: so thou shalt give the congregation and their beasts drink."

9."And Moses took the rod from before the Lord, as he commanded him."
10."And Moses and Aaron gathered the congregation together before the rock, and said unto them, Hear now, ye rebels; must we fetch you water out of this rock?

11."And Moses lifted up his hand, and with the rod he smote the rock twice: and the water came out abundantly, and the congregation drank, and their beasts also."

First thing, notice the Lord told Moses and Aaron to speak to the rock, and the water would come out.

But Moses proclaimed with pride; "must we fetch you water out of this rock?"

And then instead of speaking to the rock, he smote it. Not once, but twice.

This was a sign given to show how certain of Israel would smite the Shepherd, the Rock of the Lord.

Jesus said in Mark 14:27; All you shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered.

Jesus is that Rock of offence.

Isaiah 8:14;"And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem."

The Lord is that Rock which brings forth the living waters to the congregation of the Lord.

Jeremiah 17:13;"O Lord, the hope of Israel, all that forsake thee shall be ashamed, and they that depart from me shall be written in the earth, because they have forsaken the Lord, the fountain of living waters."

Because Israel, like Moses, gave not the glory to God they were kept out of the land of promise for a time.

Numbers 27:14;"For you rebelled against my commandment in the desert of Zin, in the strife of the congregation, to sanctify me at the water before their eyes: that is the water of Meribah in Kadesh in the wilderness of Zin."

And the sad truth is, Moses struck the Rock twice.

Gotta go Fire, Peace.

Spiritintruth, The foundational teachings are the rock. Waters are teachings and to strike the rock twice is first for the earthly teaching or the waters below and second the heavenly teachings for the waters above. Moses' rod is his own personal understanding and teachings just as bread is understanding and bread is the staff of life. The living waters are the teachings of the Spirit and the spirit is the life of the word. The earthly teachings are the wrath of God while the spiritual teachings are the peace in the word. This is because the word is used as a sword against their enemies and it puts them in bondage but these people using the word as a sword are always at war. Mostly not even knowing they are fighting each other. The spirit is the truth and Jesus is the truth and to put truth upon yourself is like putting an wings and flying above all the battleing below. Like the wings of an eagle and then you are above it and can rest on God's word.

 

[C R F]

Awesome riverrat! Thanks for replying Thats the one, amen!


Abraham had the right idea too,

Gen 13:18 And Abram said unto Lot, Let there be no strife, I pray thee, between me and thee, and between my herdmen and thy herdmen; for we be brethren.


Romans 13:13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.


This is what they lived for

Isaiah 58:4 Behold, ye fast for strife and debate, and to smite with the fist of wickedness: ye shall not fast as ye do this day, to make your voice to be heard on high.

Adressed here as well...


James 3:14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.


James 3:16 For where envying and strife is, (((there))) is confusion and every evil work.



Phil 2:3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.

^ Thats the one I was telling ya about, convicted me (shut my mouth!)


Phil 1:15 Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will:


Even the last one shows some can preach Christ of this envy and strife, but is contrasted against what others do it in (in good will).

Got both in there

Psalm 120:7 I am for peace: but when I speak, they are for war.

^Forum flashbacks



James 4:1 From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?

Yeah, I get it now, I gotta not obey that thing (in me) even when being provoked or enticed to it through another. Its just not worth it. Heck, Moses was the most humblest man on earth and he spake unadvisedly through their provocation

Psalm 106:33 Because theyprovoked his spirit, so that he spake unadvisedly with his lips.

Theres times I wanna say something so bad! Know the feeling, I think Moses did too.

(down boy down!)

So its interesting they are PROVED at these particular waters though, and the name of the place where they were proved was the place of strife and contention. Makes you think dont it?

Vain Glory. ----- Jesus said when I have gone I will send you a helper and he will lead you in the way of truth and the word he will speak will glorify me because they are my words.

The teachings of the bible are of man and men teaching men are vain , they glorify themselves but the teachings of the spirit are from the Lord and they glorify Jesus and thats when you see him as Lord above all.

 

[FirenWater]

Glad for the contribution

God bless

 

[C R F]

Go get em' tiger!

Hey, I got cha to post a smilie

Have you any idea how hard that has been for me to get you to perform that?

Well I'll miss you being more of a spectator, but I get it, you dont want to talk about nothing, which is something I do indulge in from time to time.

Im not completely purged

How about some company while hunting? Because I can call ya while your up in a treetop or something like that?

I bet you dont bring your cell phone... The ringing might deter the prey and defeat the purpose Im thinking.

If your hunting deer, do it at night in your car. Make sure to put your highbeams on and blow your horn while driving a reasonable speed and you will get one everytime...Im tellin' ya bro...Deer love cars, highbeams and horns.

It sure beats climbing trees (and having to be quiet for hours). Not to mention the bugs (Im not too big on those)

Stop back from time to time to talk about nothing with me till "something" comes

The Lord bless you bro ((hugs))

Transgression. ---- When you say and teach the earthly teachings and say they are the heavenly teachings you transgress the word of God. That is sin.

 

[FirenWater]

Transgression. ---- When you say and teach the earthly teachings and say they are the heavenly teachings you transgress the word of God. That is sin.

By adressing SpiritInTruth off topic (on my own thread) you must think I must be teaching SpiritInTuthth earthly teachings (of catching a deer) and and that I am (thereby) declaring it are heavenly teachings somewhere?

Honestly CRF, what on earth are you saying?

I really dont think we can converse back and forth too well on topics anyway, I do prefer interaction (in the christian scriptures section) with those who will actually post a scripture (every now and again). Apologies, but I dont see how *I* (a babe) can grow to your stature (full age) when *I* (a babe) who still aparently desires the pure milk of the word so I can reach your heights and go above the whats written all the time.

 

[C R F]

By adressing SpiritInTruth off topic (on my own thread) you must think I must be teaching SpiritInTuthth earthly teachings (of catching a deer) and and that I am (thereby) declaring it are heavenly teachings somewhere?

Honestly CRF, what on earth are you saying?

I really dont think we can converse back and forth too well on topics anyway, I do prefer interaction (in the christian scriptures section) with those who will actually post a scripture (every now and again). Apologies, but I dont see how *I* (a babe) can grow to your stature (full age) when *I* (a babe) who still aparently desires the pure milk of the word so I can reach your heights and go above the whats written all the time.

No Kim, I was not trying to say anything bad about you or anything like that. In the scripture you wrote there was one speaking about transgression so I wanted to show you what it means to me. I'm sorry if it came across that way. With Spiritintruth I was trying to show him he was on the right track and I could see that.
You see Kim, I have the gift of interpretation and I can interpret all the scripture but it seems I allways get in trouble for it because people do not believe me . So now I interpret just words in scripture so that way people get a better understanding of what is being said. Now I look at it and I see how you might think I was directing these things at you but I wasn't and sorry for that. And by the way, I think you and your friend are a long way past the milk stage.

 

[FirenWater]

No Kim, I was not trying to say anything bad about you or anything like that. In the scripture you wrote there was one speaking about transgression so I wanted to show you what it means to me.

I'm sorry if it came across that way. With Spiritintruth I was trying to show him he was on the right track and I could see that.
You see Kim, I have the gift of interpretation and I can interpret all the scripture but it seems I allways get in trouble for it because people do not believe me . So now I interpret just words in scripture so that way people get a better understanding of what is being said. Now I look at it and I see how you might think I was directing these things at you but I wasn't and sorry for that. And by the way, I think you and your friend are a long way past the milk stage.

Colin, thank you for explaining the above because I was truly baffled by it, even after getting offline last night. No problem, I know miscommunications happen all the time on the forums, most of which (on some of these forums) in my experience have been deliberate (not to mention hateful) which is really unfortunate and one of the reasons why I have chosen to post down here. I said to myself, just post scripture (where its most acceptable to do so) shut up and converse only with kind folks and avoid contentious folks, which is what I try to do.

Now I have heard of an interpreter of tongues Colin but not an interpreter of scriptures (save perhaps scripture with scripture). However, If you have the gift of interpretation (of scriptures) how could I have possibly interpreted it any other way? Only because you did not quote the scripture you felt needed interpretation (but rather my actual conversation with SpiritInTruth). See what I am saying?

So I absolutely did interpret it that way. Though, it might be best to quote the scripture you feel led to interpret (just so) there wont be any future misunderstanding. Its bad enough here (sometimes) if you know what I mean?


But I cant be past milk stage Colin, if scripture (given by the Spirit) is considered the milk, because its the only thing I desire, hear best and actually grow by (at this point). Sorta like what I was telling you on the other thread, I am not comfortable going above whats written. On the contrary, I dont have any desire toward doing that, I cannot hear it too well and I dont feel I grow any by it. Instead, I often find if I entertain another (speaking their own words) I end up needing an interpreter to their mouth, trying to figure out where in His words they agree with His. So sometimes what another feels they might be making clearer becomes a bit more confusing to me. I inevitably end up having to disregard their words and chosing His over theirs. Which is fine by me, because Im certainly not ashamed of His words and its His words I am to abide in and consent to (not anothers). And no doubt its actually where I feel the most comfortable (to be truthful).

Given that, I could very well be considered a babe, and Im fine by it really. I am what I am and am growing up in Christ like everyone else here. We all gotta start somewhere. I sure dont recall feeling ashamed of my age (or lack of teeth) in the flesh when I was a toddler, so why start doing that in the Spirit now is how I see it. I sure dont need to put on appearance of spirituality (or of being full age). When I am I am by His grace and will be what I will be by the same. Although playing the part could be compareable to a child playing dress up (which I do think is sorta cute) Except when they become know it all teens. That stage is not so cute but actually alot harder to tolerate.

But milk is to be desired so that we might grow thereby.

Maybe Im not on the bottle but I'm not ashamed of my big girl cup

Milk, does a body good

All joking aside thank you for explaining that Colin, because I took that one to bed with me last night in prayer, no hard feelings then.

God bless you,

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Go get em' tiger!

Hey, I got cha to post a smilie

Have you any idea how hard that has been for me to get you to perform that?

Well I'll miss you being more of a spectator, but I get it, you dont want to talk about nothing, which is something I do indulge in from time to time.

Im not completely purged

How about some company while hunting? Because I can call ya while your up in a treetop or something like that?

I bet you dont bring your cell phone... The ringing might deter the prey and defeat the purpose Im thinking.

If your hunting deer, do it at night in your car. Make sure to put your highbeams on and blow your horn while driving a reasonable speed and you will get one everytime...Im tellin' ya bro...Deer love cars, highbeams and horns.

It sure beats climbing trees (and having to be quiet for hours). Not to mention the bugs (Im not too big on those)

Stop back from time to time to talk about nothing with me till "something" comes

The Lord bless you bro ((hugs))

I'm pretty simple minded when it comes to computers, that is why I never used smiley faces before, and that is also why my posts are so plain.

But I am a pretty simple and plain type of guy.

Also it is not that I don't have anything to say right now, but it is that I am preoccupied with other things right now, like hunting.

I am not a good multi-tasker, I like to focus my attention on one thing at a time.

When I start posting new threads again, I want to be around to respond to others comments or questions in a timely manner. Right now I am unable to do that, that is why I pop in from time to time.

I suppose if I had a job right now, or some sort of income coming in, I would not be so preoccupied with hunting, but a man gots to eat.

Also I greatly enjoy sitting in the woods, and being quiet for hours on end, it is during these quiet times that I commune the best with the Lord.

But I'll stay in touch, Peace and God bless.

 

[FirenWater]

I'm pretty simple minded when it comes to computers, that is why I never used smiley faces before, and that is also why my posts are so plain.

But I am a pretty simple and plain type of guy.

Also it is not that I don't have anything to say right now, but it is that I am preoccupied with other things right now, like hunting.

I am not a good multi-tasker, I like to focus my attention on one thing at a time.

When I start posting new threads again, I want to be around to respond to others comments or questions in a timely manner. Right now I am unable to do that, that is why I pop in from time to time.

I suppose if I had a job right now, or some sort of income coming in, I would not be so preoccupied with hunting, but a man gots to eat.

Also I greatly enjoy sitting in the woods, and being quiet for hours on end, it is during these quiet times that I commune the best with the Lord.

But I'll stay in touch, Peace and God bless.

Bro, I get that

Hey, are you out of work right now because of the economy?

I'd rather PM you on this one.

 

[C R F]

Colin, thank you for explaining the above because I was truly baffled by it, even after getting offline last night. No problem, I know miscommunications happen all the time on the forums, most of which (on some of these forums) in my experience have been deliberate (not to mention hateful) which is really unfortunate and one of the reasons why I have chosen to post down here. I said to myself, just post scripture (where its most acceptable to do so) shut up and converse only with kind folks and avoid contentious folks, which is what I try to do.

Now I have heard of an interpreter of tongues Colin but not an interpreter of scriptures (save perhaps scripture with scripture). However, If you have the gift of interpretation (of scriptures) how could I have possibly interpreted it any other way? Only because you did not quote the scripture you felt needed interpretation (but rather my actual conversation with SpiritInTruth). See what I am saying?

So I absolutely did interpret it that way. Though, it might be best to quote the scripture you feel led to interpret (just so) there wont be any future misunderstanding. Its bad enough here (sometimes) if you know what I mean?


But I cant be past milk stage Colin, if scripture (given by the Spirit) is considered the milk, because its the only thing I desire, hear best and actually grow by (at this point). Sorta like what I was telling you on the other thread, I am not comfortable going above whats written. On the contrary, I dont have any desire toward doing that, I cannot hear it too well and I dont feel I grow any by it. Instead, I often find if I entertain another (speaking their own words) I end up needing an interpreter to their mouth, trying to figure out where in His words they agree with His. So sometimes what another feels they might be making clearer becomes a bit more confusing to me. I inevitably end up having to disregard their words and chosing His over theirs. Which is fine by me, because Im certainly not ashamed of His words and its His words I am to abide in and consent to (not anothers). And no doubt its actually where I feel the most comfortable (to be truthful).

Given that, I could very well be considered a babe, and Im fine by it really. I am what I am and am growing up in Christ like everyone else here. We all gotta start somewhere. I sure dont recall feeling ashamed of my age (or lack of teeth) in the flesh when I was a toddler, so why start doing that in the Spirit now is how I see it. I sure dont need to put on appearance of spirituality (or of being full age). When I am I am by His grace and will be what I will be by the same. Although playing the part could be compareable to a child playing dress up (which I do think is sorta cute) Except when they become know it all teens. That stage is not so cute but actually alot harder to tolerate.

But milk is to be desired so that we might grow thereby.

Maybe Im not on the bottle but I'm not ashamed of my big girl cup

Milk, does a body good

All joking aside thank you for explaining that Colin, because I took that one to bed with me last night in prayer, no hard feelings then.

God bless you,

Kim, if you will permit me this one time more, I would like to tell you a few things, even about yourself. Well, yourself first. You say you only desire milk and do not want to go above that right now and desire to grow. Well, what you are doing , putting the scriptures together letting them give you a better understanding, the understanding you get because of that is more godly and and of a higher righteousness and above the normal understanding. So even if you do not know it you want to be without error and made right with God. The Lord is always pleased when people seek him in their persuit of perfection which come only from him.
Next. The gifts of the spirit are considered gifts because the word itself puts people in bondage but the spiritul understanding sets people free so it is that a teaching that puts you in bondage steels you freedom( and words as from you tread before. So the above understanding is given to set you free and that is freely given so it is called a gift. It is the interpretation so it is the gift of interpretation and then you discern the spirit so you have the gift of discernment as it is with all the gifts of the Spirit. The word is not a translation, it is written in tongues of men but the interpretation of it is tongues of angels , teachings not of men but from God the father.
You say we should use Christian scripture, well the spiritual words, not the words as written with pen and ink, not the words as seen when you read but the word interpreted are the christian scriptures and from Jesus. So when I speak, I speak tongues of angles. Tongues of fire are also like that. If the spirit teaches you the true understanding it is a tongue you learn and it consumes away the fleshly understanding like fire , so that is tongues of fire. And Jesus said, my sheep will hear my vioce, also he says let him with ears hear what the spirit is saying. The spirit is his voice so a man of Jesus speaks his word and tongue and his tongue is the Holy Spirit. And if people do not have ears to hear , they do not hear his voice and are not healed and are not converted to christianity,in vain they worship the Lord.
It is said Joseph and daniel and others interpreted dreams but for those who are asleep in the Lord are not yet raised above, the word they read are as dreams and that is the interpreting of dreams. Now if one person says dasha lakie sa da disha di ma co ma, and another interprets that, they are both deceived, the one is speaking giberish and the other is interpreting in his own vain imagination.

And you, you are beginning to eat meat and don't let that scare you. You are labouring as a worthy workman and the labour is the labour of the mind to seek out the truth and find the meanings of the scripture for they are like parables.

I hope you don't mind me saying these things and may God bless you in your labour.

 

[FirenWater]

I dont mind you at all saying Colin and thank you that was alot more helpful to know where you are coming from. I myself dont have any particular gift that I know of so Im am not qualified to say anything on them really. I might know what I call the presence of His power (for lack of a better words) when His presence is magnified a thousand times more so to me at certain times, or even my understanding is noticeably increased by Him in that time. Which is absolutely awesome! His clearness (best describes Him) How great is He?!

I dont know what the "right words" are for certain experiences I cherish, I know them (intuitvely) without the right words (verbally) and they are (to me) like heaven on earth if I ever thought I captured such a thing

If the experience of Him (in such ways) gets any better then the times I know with Him already, I cant help but desire more of the same with Him. That (to me) is such a precious gift (alone). But I know that might not be a tongue or a prophecy gift (or whichever gift) I dont know of those because I dont believe I have any gifts like that. I am not wholly covinced of much until I can reccognize it by Him.

It must be the skeptic in me or something. I could drive you nuts

God bless you Colin, hitting the pillows

 

[Chickapee]

Loved the post on Meribah and the contributions

love how Paul clarifies this in Gal 4 , with the two covenants and the two sons of Abraham

the flesh one Ismael always percectuted the spiritual son Issac ...
the flesh is an ememity against the Spirit .... strife and contention
men being men and the Spirit born being as Sons of God though Jesus Christ

wanted to post scriptures but this computer is acting up something awful after them downloads!

 

[FirenWater]

Hey chickapee

Thank you sis for that reminder, amen

Ugh, I got this new puter and Im having problems too sis, dont know whats up with it, and Im tiring of trying to find out, or at least all the wrong advice from the experts that dont work

I can sympathize with you, even a new one dont always garentee performance, I hate technology sometimes

God bless you sis