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Such as Depression, Bipolar Disorder, Schizophrenia, Sociopathy now referred to Antisocial Personality Disorder, Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID) formerly known as Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD) and such.

Most mental disorders are generally catagorized as either organic (physical) or inorganic (experiential).

Could some of these disorders actually be spiritual?
I'm pretty sure I'll take some attacks, but I think MOST of
them are spiritual & less are medical.
(or, that the spiritual can turn into medical over time & cause
real medical problems later...
like massive stress if it's a spiritual source can cause a
physical consequence) --

Our Pastor just touched on this issue in church this past Sunday
& he said that Christians MUST get a handle on these
emotional disorders going on & how they're rendering us
impotent anymore.

He also said alot of these depressions & so forth stem from
selfishness. I totally agreed with that becuz I had severe
depression/oppression & there was definite selfishness in it
in demanding special attention from everyone .

If anyone wasn't "kind" enough, it was time to throw a
fit of how unsensitive they were, etc. etc.
Spirit of offense.

I think lots is spiritual - via demonic oppression due to
sins we open up to & allow strongholds.
 
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Speaking of mental disorders and such~do you thing Sphinx is a real person or a bot?;) I'm thinkin' bot, but I usually get these things wrong. But think about it, wouldn't it make sense that a bot would cruise a forum and insert information into thread to help clarify terms...SphinxBot, I'm tellin' ya:cool:

Nah...Sphinx is a real person...that for whatever reason chooses to give info rather than opinion...which isn't always a bad thingy....

:eheh:

Admittedly....I was a bit confused by the posts at first...but found some pretty valuable stuff in there.

....and CP....:redcard:
 
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There are all sorts of reasons. I think hormones play a large part too. I forget the test but didnt they find most violent offenders somewhere in a prison tested had excessive testosterone levels? It can be environmental, chemical, personality defects - and yep, sometimes spiritual.

Well...I certainly believe testoserone can be toxic to grey matter...^_^

Just kidding...nothing scarier than a woman with raging PMS...:eek:

Which leads me to consider....should PMS be a defense when a crime is committed?

I mean....these guys can't really be found not guilty by reason of excess testosterone...
 
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Well...I certainly believe testoserone can be toxic to grey matter...^_^

Just kidding...nothing scarier than a woman with raging PMS...:eek:

Which leads me to consider....should PMS be a defense when a crime is committed?

I mean....these guys can't really be found not guilty by reason of excess testosterone...

...:smirk:
 
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Yeah exactly, but in our secular scientific age society doesn't acknowledge or attribute anything to the spiritual. I heard someone who does prison ministry speaking about this too and why so many people end up in prison, because they have no hope and society doesn't treat the spiritual so they're just acting out and not being properly treated....he said a lot suffer from mental problems but the root causes of their problems are spiritual and he gets frustrated because society and the medical community wont acknowledge, and he said that's why it's vital that Christians visit prisoners because they desparately need spiritual help which the system wont and doesn't provide (because it doesn't even acknowledge it).

Right!...:thumbsup: and sadly...as we "progress" as a society...I consider it will be acknowledged less and less and those who do these extensive studies will more than likely be highly criticized.

I really wonder how many people are misdiagnosed and put on meds that just turn them into stepford people...who can't feel anything any more.

Oh...btw...please keep me in prayer regarding Prison Ministry...it's something that has been on my heart for a long time...:)
 
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Speaking of mental disorders and such~do you thing Sphinx is a real person or a bot?;) I'm thinkin' bot, but I usually get these things wrong. But think about it, wouldn't it make sense that a bot would cruise a forum and insert information into thread to help clarify terms...SphinxBot, I'm tellin' ya:cool:
Sphinx has a great sense of humor, and is probably a member of the Illuminati or the Rosicrucians or something, everybody on CF goes on with there own POV, he gives us information insted, very humble if you ask me
on more then one occasion he has corrected people in GT when they had inccorect ideas about the Roman Catholic Church, so I am very greatful to him for that
 
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Well...I certainly believe testoserone can be toxic to grey matter...^_^

Just kidding...nothing scarier than a woman with raging PMS...:eek:

Which leads me to consider....should PMS be a defense when a crime is committed?

I mean....these guys can't really be found not guilty by reason of excess testosterone...


Yeah, I didn't mean that they shouldn't be found guilty. But I think it may be a starting key in the prevention of some of the antisocial and exceedingly violet.

I did a quick google and found a excerpt from this book as an example about two studies done with repeat offenders with violent tendencies.

As for PMS, thankfully it's generally not so bad to induce murder and the like! :angel: But, speaking from someone who was given a dose of birth control one time that had too much or too little of something, and saw how weird it made me instantly, I can relate to how extreme shifts in personality can certainly happen to change a person 'just like that'. It's kind of scary actually.:idea:
 
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Well...I certainly believe testoserone can be toxic to grey matter...^_^

Just kidding...nothing scarier than a woman with raging PMS...:eek:

Which leads me to consider....should PMS be a defense when a crime is committed?

I mean....these guys can't really be found not guilty by reason of excess testosterone...
I'm sure some laweyer has tried it as defense as well as PMS made me do it.
Man a woman with PMS nothing scary I'm never sure if should throw chocolate and hope that distracts long enough to run or try a silver bullet.

As far as men go we will turn just about anything into a competition and act as if it's life or death.
 
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Yeah, I didn't mean that they shouldn't be found guilty. But I think it may be a starting key in the prevention of some of the antisocial and exceedingly violet.
Yes...I knew you didn't mean they shouldn't be found guilty...just my grey matter going into overdrive...^_^

I did a quick google and found a excerpt from this book as an example about two studies done with repeat offenders with violent tendencies.
Thanks for the link...I just glanced through it...and will read a bit more...but no doubt...and 'roid rage...yikes!

My doc Rx'd me steroids for a respiratory problem I was having...OH MY...I thought I was going to jump out of my skin and the top of my head was going to fly off. My entire thought pattern was completely askew...I had to take off work because I simply could not think...I would look at my computer screen and nothing was registering in my brain except massive confusion...it was awful. I told the doc...never again!

As for PMS, thankfully it's generally not so bad to induce murder and the like! :angel: But, speaking from someone who was given a dose of birth control one time that had too much or too little of something, and saw how weird it made me instantly, I can relate to how extreme shifts in personality can certainly happen to change a person 'just like that'. It's kind of scary actually.:idea:
I dunno...when I suffered from PMS...I was pretty nutz...I mean...I could never kill anyone or anything...but I was pretty angry and hostile...most of the time...but again...I think my lack of spirituality at the time really made it possible for PMS to rage in my life.

There was a case here in TX I think...A woman ran her cheating hubby over with her car...and her lawyers was using PMS as her defense...:doh:

And what I found to be really frightening...is how many women thought she was a HERO and supported her totally!
 
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Sphinx has a great sense of humor, and is probably a member of the Illuminati or the Rosicrucians or something, everybody on CF goes on with there own POV, he gives us information insted, very humble if you ask me
on more then one occasion he has corrected people in GT when they had inccorect ideas about the Roman Catholic Church, so I am very greatful to him for that

Its complete objectivity points toward bot though the evil clone thing has its merits:D
 
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It is important to realize that mental disorders are real. They are medical issues affecting brain function. True depression, for example, is more than merely feeling down in the dumps because something bad happened. One question I really hate is, "What are you depressed about?" That's like asking me what I'm diabetic about! I don't have to be depressed *about* anything. My life can be going along wonderfully, yet for some reason I can't explain, I won't feel pleasure, I won't have any energy for daily functions, etc. I have an imbalance in my brain chemisty. It must be maintained with medication. There are people who think if I trusted God enough, I wouldn't have a problem with depression, but most of those wouldn't say to an epileptic, "Don't take medication. Just trust God and tell yourself you're not going to have a seizure."

This said, it seems nowadays that at least one out of every four kids has a "disorder" of some kind, which is supposed to justify their misbehavior. "But Mary has food allergies." "Susie has Attention Deficit Disorder." "Johnny can't help it; he's hyperactive."

So, of course, they can't be expected to listen, follow directions, or obey the rules, can they?

The "diagnosis" I question most is Oppositional Defiance Disorder. When I was a kid, this behavior was called "being a bratty, disobedient kid!"
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I'm sure some laweyer has tried it as defense as well as PMS made me do it.
Yep...as I mentioned to JC

Man a woman with PMS nothing scary I'm never sure if should throw chocolate and hope that distracts long enough to run or try a silver bullet.
^_^ smoosh a Midol into a chocolate bonbon and toss it from a distance...usually your best bet...^_^

As far as men go we will turn just about anything into a competition and act as if it's life or death.
Hubby and I were watching 24 last night...and there was scene where Jack and this FBI agent were all challenging each other...standing toe to toe with chests puffed out...chins up...notrils flaring and glaring into each others eyes not saying a word...

I asked my hubby...."what's up with the male posturing" I never understood it...

He told me...ever watch mountain goats...same thing...^_^...just a primal thingy I guess....
 
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Yep...as I mentioned to JC

^_^ smoosh a Midol into a chocolate bonbon and toss it from a distance...usually your best bet...^_^

Hubby and I were watching 24 last night...and there was scene where Jack and this FBI agent were all challenging each other...standing toe to toe with chests puffed out...chins up...notrils flaring and glaring into each others eyes not saying a word...

I asked my hubby...."what's up with the male posturing" I never understood it...

He told me...ever watch mountain goats...same thing...^_^...just a primal thingy I guess....
Well just look at what men we get extremely in sports teams we have nothing to do with, we will turning anything to a competion trust me I have been in more than one contest to see who drink a bottle steak sauce the fastest I'm undefeated too I might add, and back in college friendly pick up games in any sport ended with at least 3 people bleeding.
 
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Regarding the OP, I agree with others that it can be spiritual at times, but not always.

I think it's also a symptom of our society and no willingness to take responsibility for our actions that got us into unpleasant situations. That runs parallel with the inability to recognize our sinful nature and rejection of God's plan for us.

Look at how many kids are put on meds for ADD or hyperactivity instead of the parents making more of an effort to *gasp* parent. Kids so often seem to feed off their parents' emotions and if they're stressed from having to work all the time, taking away from energy that should be given to the family and caring for the home, which then can make parents depressed because they know they are failing on some levels and so goes the cycle.

It's what the world does to some folks who think they have to keep up. Of course, that's not true in all instances, but it seems to be pretty prevelant. I'd say those are victories for the evil one, for sure.

This is so true. What used to be just kids being disobedient has now been labeled with various illnesses. So now the parents don't have to take so much responsibility, and can just give them drugs instead, or bend over backwards to make sure little Jimmy is happy all the time, even if it's at the expense of everyone else around him. I also think sugar and preservatives are a huge part of the problem. Lots of studies have been done and show that when kids have a healthy diet, their behavior improves. A little discipline goes a long way too.


Speaking of mental disorders and such~do you thing Sphinx is a real person or a bot?;) I'm thinkin' bot, but I usually get these things wrong. But think about it, wouldn't it make sense that a bot would cruise a forum and insert information into thread to help clarify terms...SphinxBot, I'm tellin' ya:cool:

LOL, good theory! ^_^

There are all sorts of reasons. I think hormones play a large part too. I forget the test but didnt they find most violent offenders somewhere in a prison tested had excessive testosterone levels? It can be environmental, chemical, personality defects - and yep, sometimes spiritual.

Excellent point. I've struggled with hormone imbalance for most of my adult life and can tell you it really does take over your personality. My PMDD gets so bad sometimes that I have to just stay home and do nothing because I know it would not be safe for me to drive a car. There are days when I'm totally fine, and days when I can barely function, bogged down by sever frustration or exhaustion, or depression. Doctors have prescribed various hormones over the years to try and help, but that just made things worse in the end because modern medicine has so little info about hormones.

I'm pretty sure I'll take some attacks, but I think MOST of
them are spiritual & less are medical.
(or, that the spiritual can turn into medical over time & cause
real medical problems later...
like massive stress if it's a spiritual source can cause a
physical consequence) --
I don't know if most are spiritual or not. But I do agree that spiritual can cause real medical issues.

Our Pastor just touched on this issue in church this past Sunday
& he said that Christians MUST get a handle on these
emotional disorders going on & how they're rendering us
impotent anymore.

He also said alot of these depressions & so forth stem from
selfishness. I totally agreed with that becuz I had severe
depression/oppression & there was definite selfishness in it
in demanding special attention from everyone .

Yes. That's the whole responsibility issue again. Society lets us excuse bad behavior with a "diagnosis", when often "suck it up!" would be the better response.

Don't get me wrong, I know there are some genuine physical causes for depression in some people, and I'm sure a number of other problems as well. And there are times when antidepressants do serve a valuable purpose. But that is not nearly as often as most doctors would like us to believe. Partly, many of them prescribe antidepressants because they don't know what else to do. And partly, some of them do it for the kickbacks.

With depression, I think a big part of the problem is that society has taught us to expect to be happy all the time. It's ridiculous. People need to be allowed to experience the bad along with the good. Like, I remember when my dad died, and the management at work expected me to just have a week or two to grieve. Then I was expected to bounce back as if nothing had happened. Um, NO! And just a few months later, another woman at work lost her husband suddenly. Same thing there. They pushed her to go through counseling (supplied by the employer... ick) and take antidepressants. What she needed was time to grieve and work through her anger, etc. Our Western culture does not allow us to be human beings sometimes.

And don't get me started on pharmaceutical companies! LOL.
They're basically like the mafia in how they operate. They don't put all their money into finding cures, but instead, finding "treatments" that patients become dependent on, and that cause side effects that need other medications, etc, etc.

When DH and I see a new drug being promoted on TV, one of us will at some point say "may cause death". And once you hear the long list of side effects, often we're right!

Which leads me to consider....should PMS be a defense when a crime is committed?

I mean....these guys can't really be found not guilty by reason of excess testosterone...
Nope. As one who struggles with these hormone problems, I know how hard it is to deal with. BUT even if we cannot control our emotions, we can control our responses to them.
 
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So, of course, they can't be expected to listen, follow directions, or obey the rules, can they?

The "diagnosis" I question most is Oppositional Defiance Disorder. When I was a kid, this behavior was called "being a bratty, disobedient kid!"
. . . . . best solved with a loving whoopin'
when the situation calls fer it.
:p

That graphic is hilarious ^_^
 
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Regarding the OP, I agree with others that it can be spiritual at times, but not always.
Definitetly not always.

My concern is this, a doctor will NEVER tell you it's spiritual. They
will also not deny that you have one or another of the plethora of
disorders - I think it's generic diagnosing like they give out
broad spectrum antibiotics.

So they'll ALWAYS find a "medical" problem and put you on some
sort of meds whether it's spiritual or not.
So how does a person actually find out which it really is?

As I've understood, most people on medications end up staying
on medications permanently... it's not some temporary problem
when the Prozac label used to say something to the effect of
seek the source of the depression.
So the meds are no Cure... there doesn't seem to BE a cure.

I think it's a horrible problem for anyone to get real help if
they have something going on.
 
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As I've understood, most people on medications end up staying
on medications permanently... it's not some temporary problem
when the Prozac label used to say something to the effect of
seek the source of the depression.
So the meds are no Cure... there doesn't seem to BE a cure.

I think it's a horrible problem for anyone to get real help if
they have something going on.
There also isn't a cure for diabetes, thyriod disorders or any of a number of other nonpsychologicial hormonal disorders so why would you expect them to be able to magicialy cure a hormone inbalance that effects ones mind.
 
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