Are you saying that a molecule needs "self knowledge" in order to replicate? Would you say that my house needs to know itself in order to be itself?Variant said:
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I am saying that a living system needs it.
Your house would need to become a living system with the ability to self replicate and be geared toward that end for that to be a requirement.
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Thats certainly an interesting position. Whsat kind of knowledge do you mean? I suppose it would involve some form of chemical self awareness in the DNA. What do you think of the stance that has already been taken, that replicaiton of DNA can be understood from a purely chemical perspective. I suppose your stance would involve some form of mental causation and intent to replicate.
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Just to mention a thought I just had "2 state" theory.
IIRC in quantum mechanics a particle can be in 2 states at once, both A and not-A which goes against classical logic but is a fact of the quantum world.
I was wondering if the brain can be in 2 states at the same time, both conscious and not conscious?
If that were the case maybe there could be a superposition of conscious experiences, maybe 100 per brain (or more), that it is capable of being in (and not being in) at the same time. Hopefully if there were any wave function collapses it would be into the best of all possible worlds. The brain could be an ethical quantum computer if such things could actually work that way.
I know this is a lot of maybes, but who cares this is philosophy....
IIRC in quantum mechanics a particle can be in 2 states at once, both A and not-A which goes against classical logic but is a fact of the quantum world.
I was wondering if the brain can be in 2 states at the same time, both conscious and not conscious?
If that were the case maybe there could be a superposition of conscious experiences, maybe 100 per brain (or more), that it is capable of being in (and not being in) at the same time. Hopefully if there were any wave function collapses it would be into the best of all possible worlds. The brain could be an ethical quantum computer if such things could actually work that way.
I know this is a lot of maybes, but who cares this is philosophy....
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It has to have the information on how to build a bacterium. This is the most basic form of "self awareness" I can imagine.
Calling it knolege or saying it resides entirely inside the bacterium I think would be incorrect though, knolege, I think requires a mind, and the only function mind here that is senseing and reacting to the enviroment is not entirely localized inside the bacterium itself but the machinery for it may be localized there.
It is understood chemically so this is not a point of arugment, I am saying that the basis of consciousness is a physical property of self replicating chemical systems.
In my opinion intention is an emergent property of a sytem that self replicates.
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JYJ
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In order to make sense and clarity we might consider the unified field of consciousness. There is a universal consciousness, pervasive, in everything. The smallest bit of matter is both alive and conscious although in a very primitive way. Minerals, vegetables, animals, humans are all conscious entities. Animals are easier for us to recognize as being conscious though. We are advanced over animals by being self conscious. So far everything is included in and is a part of the whole of the conscious universe.
The human brain is conscious as a personality. This we all will agree to. It is also capable of connecting to higher consciousnesses. Intuition, abstract thought, the realms of ideas. All these are not of the brain but are connected to by the brain at times. Here again animals do not have this capability nor did primitive proto-humans. Their brains were not up to the tasks ahead. Evolution however continued and when human brains did arrive at a suitable capability the story of true humanity on earth begins. This is noted in the creation stories of old.
Consciousness is variable and in each form it can be found although perhaps not recognized. Consider it a God signature because it is the very basis of spiritual growth. From the beginning human being to the most advanced soul such as Jesus the station of achievement is noted as higher and higher consciousness.
If this were not the case we would never have occasions, moments of sudden awareness, wherein we "know" something and then later find that it was correct. The reality of these events is that we did, for just a moment, have a sympathetic connection to the higher consciousness which does exist and in which everything that can be known is real. During this brief opening of a window we perceive as a flash and later sit amazed at how it could happen. For just a brief period of time we have been made privy to the correspondence of an animal having a flash and suddenly realizing what it would be like to have a human mind. You see? Higher entities, alluded to as being in the "Kingdom of God" have already achieved and are there all the time. To graduate and be with them is our heritage and purpose of God's plan for us.
What are the various mediums of higher consciousness? Beyond the physical are the many spiritual graduations of existence that we call heaven. "My Father's house has many mansions...." Each of these is populated by human souls according to their individual achievements. Each of these levels is home to a slightly different kind of consciousness. We might say "higher" because that suits. And yes each manifestation of creation is vibratory in nature. Here is the key to movement and ability.
May I suggest that you begin with a baseline which you can call consciousness and, from left to right, graduate it with markers to denote everything in existence. Then at the very far left is a small sub atomic particle and at the very far right is God. Oversimplified yes but it leads to a better understanding and also to a few surprises for he who seeks.
The human brain is conscious as a personality. This we all will agree to. It is also capable of connecting to higher consciousnesses. Intuition, abstract thought, the realms of ideas. All these are not of the brain but are connected to by the brain at times. Here again animals do not have this capability nor did primitive proto-humans. Their brains were not up to the tasks ahead. Evolution however continued and when human brains did arrive at a suitable capability the story of true humanity on earth begins. This is noted in the creation stories of old.
Consciousness is variable and in each form it can be found although perhaps not recognized. Consider it a God signature because it is the very basis of spiritual growth. From the beginning human being to the most advanced soul such as Jesus the station of achievement is noted as higher and higher consciousness.
If this were not the case we would never have occasions, moments of sudden awareness, wherein we "know" something and then later find that it was correct. The reality of these events is that we did, for just a moment, have a sympathetic connection to the higher consciousness which does exist and in which everything that can be known is real. During this brief opening of a window we perceive as a flash and later sit amazed at how it could happen. For just a brief period of time we have been made privy to the correspondence of an animal having a flash and suddenly realizing what it would be like to have a human mind. You see? Higher entities, alluded to as being in the "Kingdom of God" have already achieved and are there all the time. To graduate and be with them is our heritage and purpose of God's plan for us.
What are the various mediums of higher consciousness? Beyond the physical are the many spiritual graduations of existence that we call heaven. "My Father's house has many mansions...." Each of these is populated by human souls according to their individual achievements. Each of these levels is home to a slightly different kind of consciousness. We might say "higher" because that suits. And yes each manifestation of creation is vibratory in nature. Here is the key to movement and ability.
May I suggest that you begin with a baseline which you can call consciousness and, from left to right, graduate it with markers to denote everything in existence. Then at the very far left is a small sub atomic particle and at the very far right is God. Oversimplified yes but it leads to a better understanding and also to a few surprises for he who seeks.
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