Melchizedek

n2thelight · Oct 23, 2013

I believe Christ was Melchizedek....Will show why soon any thoughts?

n2thelight · Oct 24, 2013

The following can explain it more thouroughly than I

Melchizedek Was God's Priest

First, notice from both Old and New Testaments that the man of mystery, Melchizedek, was a priest of the Most High God. Turn 'low to the account in Genesis 14. During the war between a number of ancient city-states in Canaan and Mesopotamia, Abraham's nephew Lot had been captured. He and his family and goods were carted off.
One of their number escaped and brought the news to Abraham, who armed 318 of his own servants and pursued the invaders to what was later named Dan and beyond. Abraham rescued Lot and his family and returned them safely to the Canaanite cities.
On Abraham's return a man of mystery bursts upon the scene. Abraham was ministered to by Melchizedek.
Here is the account:
"And Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine; he was priest of God Most High. And he [Melchizedek] blessed him [Abraham] and said, 'Blessed be Abram by God Most High, maker of heaven and earth; and blessed be God Most High, who has delivered your enemies into your hand!' And Abram gave him [Melchizedek] a tenth of everything" that is, a tithe of all, for a tithe means a tenth (Genesis 14:18-20, RSV).
Notice that Melchizedek was king of Salem. That is the city of Jerusalem. "Salem" comes from the Hebrew word meaning "peace." That would make Melchizedek the "King of Peace" (Hebrews 7:2). The Hebrew name Melchizedek itself means "King of Righteousness" ([URL="http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/bible.show/sVerseID/30067/eVerseID/30067"]Hebrews 7:2[/URL]). The same individual is mentioned in Psalm 110:4. Speaking prophetically of Christ, David stated: "The Eternal hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek." This verse is quoted again in Hebrews 5:6, 10.
Before we turn to Hebrews for the identification of Melchizedek, remember that this mystery figure is a mystery only to us. Abraham and the King of wicked Sodom knew exactly who he was. They must have seen him before. He could not have been a Canaanite, for they were steeped in pagan customs. And furthermore Canaan was a descendant of Ham, whereas God basically chose the descendants of Shem to accomplish His work.
Then who is the mystery man Melchizedek? One other hint before we proceed. The land of Canaan from ancient time, before the days of Moses, was known among the Gentiles as "the divine land" the Holy land" the land of the place of worship!" Why? Was there someone in the Holy Land who was divine, holy, worthy of worship?

The Mystery Clears

Coming to Hebrews 7, we find Melchizedek identified:
"For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; to whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace" (Hebrews 7:1-2).
Since God names individuals what they are, that, then is what this man is.. "King of Righteousness."
Think of it! King of Righteousness.
Jesus Himself said: "There is none good but one, that is, God" (Matthew 19:17). Human self-righteousness is, before God, as filthy rags. None can be righteous but Godor one made righteous by God's powerChrist in a person! And certainly none but One of the Godhead the divine Kingdom of God would be King of Righteousness. Such an expression, applied to any but God, would be blasphemous. Why?
Righteousness is obedience to God's Law. Since God made all laws (James 4:12), He is Supreme Ruler or King. He determines what righteousness is. "All thy commandments are righteousness" (Psalm 119:172). When speaking of one of the points of that Law, Jesus placed Himself superior to it. He is Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28). No man is Lord or King over God's Law. Only God could be! All human beings have sinned and broken that Law of righteousness (Romans 3:23).
To continue with Hebrews 7. Note, too, that this man was King of peace. "Salem" from which Jerusalem was named means "peace." And remember, Jesus is called the Prince of peace! No human being could be King of Peace. Men know not the way of peace. Read Romans 3:10 and 17: "There is none righteous, no, not one.... And the way of peace have they not known." Observe further: Melchizedek was "without mother, without father, without descent," or as the Phillips translation renders it: "He had no father or mother and no family tree." He was not born as human beings are. He was without father and mother. This does not mean that Melchizedek's records of birth were lost. Without such records human priests could not serve (Ezra 2:62). But here Melchizedek had no genealogy. He must not have been an ordinary mortal. He had no descent or pedigree from another, but was self-existent. Notice Paul's own inspired interpretation of this fact: "Having neither beginning of days, nor end of life" (Hebrews 7:3). Therefore He has always existed from eternity! He was not even created, like angels. But He is now eternally self-existing. And that is true only of GOD deity, not humanity!

Not the Father Nor the Holy Spirit

Yet Melchizedek cannot be God the Father. He was the "priest of that Most High God." Scripture says no man has ever seen the Father (John 1:18, 5:37), but Abraham saw Melchizedek. He cannot be God the Father, but rather, "made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually" ([URL="http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/bible.show/sVerseID/30068/eVerseID/30068"]Hebrews 7:3[/URL]).
And there it is! In the days of Abraham, He was not the Son of God, for He had not yet been born of the virgin Mary but He was made like unto the Son of God in His manifestation to the ancients.
Notice again: Melchizedek, this scripture reveals, abides that is, remains permanently, continually, a priest. God the Father is not the Priest of God, but Christ the Son is! Yet, in the days when the Apostle Paul lived and wrote, shortly after Jesus ascended to heaven as High Priest, the scripture states that even then Melchizedek "abideth "which means does now abide"a priest continually." The Moffatt translation states it: "continues to be priest permanently" even while Jesus Christ is High Priest!
And notice that the order of Christ's Priesthood is named after Melchizedek. It is the High Priest's name that is placed upon an order just as Aaron's name was upon the Aaronic priesthood. Thus Melchizedek was then High Priest, in Paul's day, and even now, and He will rule forever! And at the same time Christ was, is today, and shall be forever High Priest!
Are there two High Priests'? No! Impossible! The conclusion is inescapable. Contrary to many cherished man-thought-out ideas, Melchizedek and Christ are one and the same! Some people have stumbled on the statement that Melchizedek has no "end of life." They contend that since Christ died, He had an end of life! If that be true then Christ is still dead! But Christ is not dead. He is alive. It was not possible for Christ to be held by death (Acts 2:24). Melchizedek would never have fulfilled His office of High Priest if He had not died for the sins of the people and risen again. It is the function of the High Priest to lead the way to salvation.
Indeed, Jesus Christ is the author and finisher of our salvation (Hebrews 5:9; 12:2). He is "called of God an high priest after the order of Melchizedek" (Hebrews 5:10). And no wonder. Melchizedek and Christ are one and the same Person!

The Mystery of Melchizedek Solved!

ananda · Oct 24, 2013

Does it matter if He was Melchizedek or not?

Evergreen48 · Oct 24, 2013

n2thelight said:
I believe Christ was Melchizedek....Will show why soon any thoughts?

No, Christ was not Melchizedek. Melchizedek was one of the many types or pictures that was displayed in the OT of the Christ who was to come.

Heb. 9:23. "It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24. For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: 25. Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; 26. For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now ONCE in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself."

The author of the letter to the Hebrews pointed to Melchizedek as a prefiguration of Christ because of their likeness to each other in this way: Melchizedek was not of sacerdotal lineage, as he seems to have appeared out of nowhere as a 'high priest', showing no record of who his father or his father's father before him, and so on, and so forth, was. Jesus was without earthly sacerdotal lineage also.

Shimshon · Oct 24, 2013

Evergreen48 said:
No, Christ was not Melchizedek. Melchizedek was one of the many types or pictures that was displayed in the OT of the Christ who was to come.

Heb. 9:23. "It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24. For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: 25. Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; 26. For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now ONCE in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself."

The author of the letter to the Hebrews pointed to Melchizedek as a prefiguration of Christ because of their likeness to each other in this way: Melchizedek was not of sacerdotal lineage, as he seems to have appeared out of nowhere as a 'high priest', showing no record of who his father or his father's father before him, and so on, and so forth, was. Jesus was without earthly sacerdotal lineage also.

Messiah came 'once' "to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself". THIS is the context of the verse.

In the context of scripture we have this that opposes your thought.

1 Corinthians 10 said:
1 For I want you to know, brothers,http://www.biblestudytools.com/esv/...q=1-corinthians+10:1-9#fn-descriptionAnchor-a that our fathers were all under http://www.biblestudytools.com/esv/...q=1-corinthians+10:1-9#cr-descriptionAnchor-1the cloud, and all http://www.biblestudytools.com/esv/...q=1-corinthians+10:1-9#cr-descriptionAnchor-2passed through the sea, 2 and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 3 and http://www.biblestudytools.com/esv/...q=1-corinthians+10:1-9#cr-descriptionAnchor-3all ate the same http://www.biblestudytools.com/esv/...q=1-corinthians+10:1-9#cr-descriptionAnchor-4spiritual food, 4 and http://www.biblestudytools.com/esv/...q=1-corinthians+10:1-9#cr-descriptionAnchor-5all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank from the spiritual Rock that followed them, and the Rock was Christ.

Seems Paul has no problems understanding Messiah as the spiritual food that fed all Israel's fathers.

Evergreen48 · Oct 24, 2013

Shimshon said:
Messiah came 'once' "to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself". THIS is the context of the verse.

In the context of scripture we have this that opposes your thought.Seems Paul has no problems understanding Messiah as the spiritual food that fed all Israel's fathers.

It seems to me that Paul had no problem understanding that the LITERAL food that came down from heaven was a type or a picture of the SPIRITUAL food given to us from above, and that the LITERAL rock from which the life saving water flowed was a type or a picture of Christ also.

I agree with you concerning the context of 9:23-26 . However, there are some quotes within some contextual writings which sometimes rise above any particular context -- i.e. -- they are just as true in whatever context they are used. That Christ "came once" is an example of that as the following verse 28 will bear that out.

"So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation."

By Faith Alone · Nov 3, 2013

Type meets anti-type in Jesus Christ.

Anto9us · Nov 4, 2013

Jesus had a mother.

Her name was Mary.

Perhaps you've heard of her.

tturt · Nov 5, 2013

posted: I believe Christ was Melchizedek

Agree because I believe He came unannounced as well as prophesied. Of course, He only came once to fulfill the prophesies in the OT, be crucified, and resurrected!

donfish06 · Nov 5, 2013

Anto9us said:
Jesus had a mother.

Her name was Mary.

Perhaps you've heard of her.

He had a surrogate mother. Any time Mary was referenced by Jesus he called her woman, or asked "who is my mother?" Jesus' flesh was created by god and placed in Mary's womb by the Holy Ghost (mat 1:18,20)

By Faith Alone · Nov 5, 2013

donfish06 said:
He had a surrogate mother. Any time Mary was referenced by Jesus he called her woman, or asked "who is my mother?" Jesus' flesh was created by god and placed in Mary's womb by the Holy Ghost (mat 1:18,20)

Have not referenced your links but agreed. If Jesus had sinful flesh it would be that sinful flesh that produced the blood. Hence...sinful blood. We were not in the womb bur Scriptures convey that God would have at the very most hooked up the umbilical cord. Never saw where He had a belly button though.
God...BECAME..flesh and not...A...flesh. Assumed another mode of existence.

Luke 1:38 And Mary said, Behold the ...handmaid ...of the Lord;

granpa · Nov 21, 2013

I think that Melchizedek is Michael the Archangel.

Pilate ordered a sign posted above Jesus on the cross stating this is Jesus the Nazarene the Michael of the Jews

Anto9us · Nov 21, 2013

Melchisedec had a no mother according to scripture

Yes, Jesus had a mother - told John from the cross to take care of her, like

John - my mother Mary will be your mother from now on
Mother - John will be your son from now on - he will take care of you

and Bible says John took care of Mary from then on as if he were son and Mary were mother

this fulfilled what Jesus said from the Cross to the ONLY disciple who stayed there and watched Him die

Mary was actually Jesus' mother - anyone who doubts this is koo-koo

donfish06 · Nov 21, 2013

Anto9us said:
Melchisedec had a no mother according to scripture

Yes, Jesus had a mother - told John from the cross to take care of her, like

John - my mother Mary will be your mother from now on
Mother - John will be your son from now on - he will take care of you

and Bible says John took care of Mary from then on as if he were son and Mary were mother

this fulfilled what Jesus said from the Cross to the ONLY disciple who stayed there and watched Him die

Mary was actually Jesus' mother - anyone who doubts this is koo-koo

Did Jesus saying that make Mary John's LITERAL mother? Did John become her LITERAL son?

So if Jesus was passing his relationship w/ Mary on to John, then Mary wasn't his LITERAL mother. She birthed him, yes. But he did not have her blood in him, otherwise he would have been born sinful

donfish06 · Nov 21, 2013

Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

He shall be called the Son of God... not, "Mary, he shall be called your son"

donfish06 · Nov 21, 2013

0scar said:
Christ is eternal, he does exit from the very begining and before. Hes existence is that of God the Father.
2000 years ago Christ did empty himself and took the form of human. This is when he incarnate as Jesus. Jesus, the incarnation of the eternal Christ has a mother. And Christ is the creator of Mary, not her son.

Where do you get the idea that Christ is eternal?

By Faith Alone · Nov 24, 2013

donfish06 said:
Where do you get the idea that Christ is eternal?

Start with John 1:1 and 14.

donfish06 · Nov 24, 2013

By Faith Alone said:
Start with John 1:1 and 14.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Beginning is a reference of time. God lives outside of time. Jesus is the "WORD", any word has to start as a "THOUGHT".

God had "thoughts" of his creation. When he "spoke"(manifested) his "thoughts", they became word. All things were created by the word. When God spoke, and creation was created, time (the beginning) began.

There is no way you can have an eternal word. It HAD to start out as a thought.

There is also no such thing as an eternal "son" to be a "son" you HAD to have been born. God does not choose analogies by accident. There is a reason he chose to liken himself as a Father/Son and the Word

By Faith Alone · Nov 24, 2013

donfish06 said:
There is also no such thing as an eternal "son" to be a "son" you HAD to have been born. God does not choose analogies by accident. There is a reason he chose to liken himself as a Father/Son and the Word

I did not say the Son was eternal. The Father/Son relationship started at the birth of Jesus Christ when the Word...BECAME flesh. The Word/Jesus Christ...WAS God. Jesus Christ is the same God as Genesis 1:1.

donfish06 · Nov 24, 2013

By Faith Alone said:
I did not say the Son was eternal.

Jesus IS the Word, and you claimed that the word was eternal.

The Father/Son relationship started at the birth of Jesus Christ when the Word...BECAME flesh. The Word/Jesus Christ...WAS God. Jesus Christ is the same God as Genesis 1:1.

That would mean that God died. The MAN Jesus was not God. The spirit that dwelled in him was.

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