Melchizedek Connection, Royal Priesthood

Lulav · Apr 26, 2010

It has been a Jewish belief for centuries that Malki Tzedek was Shem, the son of Noah.

He would have been alive at the time of Abraham. Shem lived to be 600+ years old.

Abraham was born 292 years after the flood. Shem would have then been aorund 310 years old at the birth of Abraham. Abraham lived to be 175 years old. You add that to 292 and you get 135 years. Shem from the time of the flood outlived Abraham by 135 years. The events of him meeting Malki Tzedek would have transpired before Issac was born so that would have to be before Abraham was 100 probably somewhere between 88 and 99 . So Shem would have been around 398- to 409 years old when this recorded meeting took place.

LittleLambofJesus · Jul 26, 2010

OrthodoxyUSA said:
I'll give you a hint.

Wine and Bread.

Body and Blood.

What is it that the 'priests' of the order of Melchizedek do? What is their liturgy.

The laity of the order of Melchizedek have a liturgy also. What do they do?

Forgive me...

Dorothea · Jul 26, 2010

Standing Up said:
Does this mean you and others may offer the bread and wine?

I don't know about the Catholic parishioners, but we Orthodox parishioners bake the prosphora (blessed bread that a portion is used in the Eucharist) every weekend (Saturday usually) that is presented to the priest Saturday evening or sometime on Saturday or even before DL on Sunday morning for the priest to consecrate during the DL.

Rhamiel · Jul 26, 2010

Dorothea said:
I don't know about the Catholic parishioners, but we Orthodox parishioners bake the prosphora (blessed bread that a portion is used in the Eucharist) every weekend (Saturday usually) that is presented to the priest Saturday evening or sometime on Saturday or even before DL on Sunday morning for the priest to consecrate during the DL.

i have heard of this being done before at catholic parishes, it is not common but it is done sometime

Standing Up · Jul 26, 2010

Dorothea said:
I don't know about the Catholic parishioners, but we Orthodox parishioners bake the prosphora (blessed bread that a portion is used in the Eucharist) every weekend (Saturday usually) that is presented to the priest Saturday evening or sometime on Saturday or even before DL on Sunday morning for the priest to consecrate during the DL.

Interesting connections to Table of the LORD. The OT priests once changed the shewbread each Saturday. Not sure when they made it, maybe Friday, as no work on Saturday?

EO also partially retained the foot washing on Thursday (as it ends at sunset Thursday, not as it began at sunset Wednesday).

Thanks,

Standing Up · Jul 26, 2010

Lulav said:
It has been a Jewish belief for centuries that Malki Tzedek was Shem, the son of Noah.

He would have been alive at the time of Abraham. Shem lived to be 600+ years old.

Abraham was born 292 years after the flood. Shem would have then been aorund 310 years old at the birth of Abraham. Abraham lived to be 175 years old. You add that to 292 and you get 135 years. Shem from the time of the flood outlived Abraham by 135 years. The events of him meeting Malki Tzedek would have transpired before Issac was born so that would have to be before Abraham was 100 probably somewhere between 88 and 99 . So Shem would have been around 398- to 409 years old when this recorded meeting took place.

Do you recall the reason given for the connection with Shem as opposed to the "no traceable lineage (no father and no mother)" comment (Heb. 7:3)? IOW, to whom and why is it important to make the Shem association?

Dorothea · Jul 26, 2010

Rhamiel said:
i have heard of this being done before at catholic parishes, it is not common but it is done sometime

Thank you for the info, Rhamiel.

Dorothea · Jul 26, 2010

Standing Up said:
Interesting connections to Table of the LORD. The OT priests once changed the shewbread each Saturday. Not sure when they made it, maybe Friday, as no work on Saturday?

EO also partially retained the foot washing on Thursday (as it ends at sunset Thursday, not as it began at sunset Wednesday).

Thanks,

This is true - the foot washing on Holy Thursdays. It usually takes place in the large churches/cathedrals where the bishop resides (the bishop for that area).

LittleLambofJesus · Nov 15, 2010

Interesting thread

Hebrews 7:1 For thus/this the Malkiy-Tsedeq King of Salem, Priest of the God/'El of the most-high, the together-joining Abraham turning-back from the smiting of the kings and blesses/euloghsaV <2127> (5660) him [Genesis 14:18/Matt 26:26]

Young) Hebrews 4:14 Having then a great chief priest passed through the heavens--Jesus the Son of God--may we hold fast the profession,

Kindgdom Bible Studies Royal Priesthood Part 24

One of the most intriguing descriptions of the unique character of the High Priesthood of Jesus is found in Heb. 7:17 wherein it is stated, "Thou art a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek." This one grand statement shows that Jesus is not like any of the other priests who the people of Israel knew so much about. The entire seventh chapter of Hebrews is about THE MELCHIZEDEK CONNECTION,

christianmomof3 · Dec 30, 2010

Lulav said:
It has been a Jewish belief for centuries that Malki Tzedek was Shem, the son of Noah.

He would have been alive at the time of Abraham. Shem lived to be 600+ years old.

Abraham was born 292 years after the flood. Shem would have then been aorund 310 years old at the birth of Abraham. Abraham lived to be 175 years old. You add that to 292 and you get 135 years. Shem from the time of the flood outlived Abraham by 135 years. The events of him meeting Malki Tzedek would have transpired before Issac was born so that would have to be before Abraham was 100 probably somewhere between 88 and 99 . So Shem would have been around 398- to 409 years old when this recorded meeting took place.

That is my understanding too.
According to Jewish commentary on Genesis 14:18-20, the city of Salem = Jerusalem and Melchizedek was Shem, the most honored son of Noah who had been made priest in Jerusalem. He was called Melchizedek because he was the king of the future site of the Temple, the home of righteousness. This priesthood was passed on to Abraham.

Standing Up · Dec 30, 2010

christianmomof3 said:
That is my understanding too.
According to Jewish commentary on Genesis 14:18-20, the city of Salem = Jerusalem and Melchizedek was Shem, the most honored son of Noah who had been made priest in Jerusalem. He was called Melchizedek because he was the king of the future site of the Temple, the home of righteousness. This priesthood was passed on to Abraham.

Not my understanding. Do you know the reason for that "new" teaching that Melchizedek is assumed to be Shem?

christianmomof3 · Dec 30, 2010

Standing Up said:
Not my understanding. Do you know the reason for that "new" teaching that Melchizedek is assumed to be Shem?

I don't know if that is a "new" teaching or not. It is my understanding that it came from Maimonides who studied the Oral Torah so I am not sure if that teaching can be dated for sure. Are you aware of a date for it?

Christos Anesti · Dec 30, 2010

"Also in the priest Melchizedek we see the Sacrament of the Sacrifice of the Lord prefigured, in accord with that to which the Divine Scriptures testify, where it says: And Melchizedek, the King of Salem, brought out bread and wine, for he was a priest of the Most High God; and he blessed Abraham' (Gen 14:18-19). That Melchizedek is in fact a type of Christ is declared in the psalms by the Holy Spirit, saying to the Son, as it were from the Father: Before the daystar I begot You. You are a Priest forever, according to the order of Melchizedek' (Psalm 109[110]: 3-4). The order certainly is that which comes form his sacrifice and which comes down from it: because Melchizedek was a priest of the Most High God; because he offered bread; and because he blessed Abraham. And who is more a priest of the Most High God than our Lord Jesus Christ, who when He offered sacrifice to God the Father, offered the very same which Melchizedek had offered, namely bread and wine, which is in fact His Body and Blood!"

- St Cyprian of Carthage (d 258 AD)

LittleLambofJesus · Dec 30, 2010

christianmomof3 said:
That is my understanding too.
According to Jewish commentary on Genesis 14:18-20, the city of Salem = Jerusalem and Melchizedek was Shem, the most honored son of Noah who had been made priest in Jerusalem. He was called Melchizedek because he was the king of the future site of the Temple, the home of righteousness. This priesthood was passed on to Abraham.

The greek word for "jerusalem" is a combination of 2 greek words.
Priest and Peace.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7135855/
Why 2 different words for "jerusalem" in NT

Hebrews 7:1 For this the Melchisedek/melcisedek <3198> , King of Salem/salhm <4532>, Priest/iereuV of the God of the Most High/uyistou <5310>, the together-joining Abraham turning-back from the smiting of the kings, and did bless him

Matthew 23:37 "Jeru-salem/ierou-salhm <2419>, Jeru-salem/ierou-salhm <2419>, the one killing the Prophets and stoning the ones having been sent toward Her, how often I will to be upon-assembling the children of Thee which manner a hen is upon-assembling the brood of her under the wings and not Ye will"
[Luke 13:34]

2409. hiereus hee-er-yooce' from 2413; a priest (literally or figuratively):--(high) priest.
4532. Salem sal-ame' of Hebrew origin (8004); Salem (i.e. Shalem), a place in Palestine:--Salem.

3548 kohen ko-hane' active participle of 3547; literally, one officiating, a priest; also (by courtesy) an acting priest (although a layman):--chief ruler, X own, priest, prince, principal officer.
8004 Shalem shaw-lame' the same as 8003; peaceful;

psalms 91 · Dec 30, 2010

Biblically he had no beginning or end, no one knows but the word assumed is appropriate as that is the only way to know I guess

psalms 91 · Dec 30, 2010

Standing Up said:
Do you recall the reason given for the connection with Shem as opposed to the "no traceable lineage (no father and no mother)" comment (Heb. 7:3)? IOW, to whom and why is it important to make the Shem association?

The importance would be that it changes what Paul said and by reasoning would call into question what he said and water down the Word. That does not soumnd like Holy Spirit leading to me.

Chaplain David · Dec 30, 2010

I would say that we are all ministers if we are true to the Word.

visionary · Dec 30, 2010

Does anyone have a problem with Yeshua ministering as a High Priest in a temple on earth back then when Abraham walked the earth?

Standing Up · Dec 30, 2010

psalms 91 said:
Biblically he had no beginning or end, no one knows but the word assumed is appropriate as that is the only way to know I guess

Since that is what scripture says, then to make the assumption that Noah is his father means that something else is trying to be presented as the truth.

psalms 91 · Dec 30, 2010

Scripture is true all else is not

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