Melchizedek and Michael

[MAC]

Hello everyone, I was wondering if you can help with the names Melchizedek and Michael wich in my view and the understanding I see in them, they are A picture of the Lord Jesus Christ our Lord..

Thank you for you help.

MAC

 

[JVAC]

Melchizedek, was just a Priest King in the old town of Salem (to become later Jerusalem). His relation to Jesus is just that, Jesus also was to be a Priest and King. That is their only similarity. I don't know what Michael you are talking about, though, is that the Archangel?

 

[MAC]

Yes! The Archangel (Chief Messenger)

 

[prodromos]

You will notice that all the angels we know about have names that end in "el" which is Hebrew for god (ELOHIM, EL-ELYON, EL-SHADDAI).

The name Michael means "who is like god", however I don't know if it is meant as a statement or a question

I can't remember what Gabriel and Raphael mean but I'm sure a quick search on the Internet would be fruitful.

John

 

[pmarquette]

melchizidek Old testament is said to be a type of Jesus [ prince of peace (salem), as God is the king of the city of peace ( jeru-salem ) ] ; without parents , without blood line , without ancestors .... only the trinity fits ,the rest of us have parents and relativies ...

Jesus the high priest in the order of melchizidek ( where the Old Testament ministers were of the tribe of Levi ) ; the priest hood of believers , we all are of the priesthood of melchizidek .... Hebrews

 

[Svt4Him]

There is no conection between Jesus and angels, no matter what their name. Melchizidek was a shadowing of Christ.

 

[MAC]

There are some arguments on these names, especially Michael. When reading the word of God I see a picture of the Lord Jesus Christ, I know they are there for God have place those words for us to know.

Everything in the word of God is about Christ ‘right’ for by Him was made all things, so in that order of thinking I search Christ in it.

 

[MAC]

For example

Dan 12:1 And at that time Michael shall stand up, the great ruler who stands for the sons of your people. In addition, there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation; until that time. In addition, at that time your people shall be delivered every one that shall be found written in the book.

Stand up

Great ruler

For the sons (we are called sons)

Your people delivered (angels cant deliver A people) only Christ have the power to deliver His people (a people)

After been delivered shall be found written in.

That is how I begin to look for Christ.

 

[FreeinChrist]

Dan 10:12 Then he said to me, "Do not be afraid, Daniel, for from the first day that you set your heart on understanding {this} and on humbling yourself before your God, your words were heard, and I have come in response to your words.Dan 10:13 "But the prince of the kingdom of Persia was withstanding me for twenty-one days; then behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left there with the kings of Persia.



Jesus is not 'one of ' . So, no, Michael is not a name for Jesus or preincarnate Christ.

 

[MAC]

Thinking about it, yes! He is One of the chief princes. We have the Father as One of, we have the Holy Spirit as One of and Christ as One of. The whole deity is in place to me when I read "Michael, One of the chief princes"

 

[FreeinChrist]

Thinking about it, yes! He is One of the chief princes. We have the Father as One of, we have the Holy Spirit as One of and Christ as One of. The whole deity is in place to me when I read "Michael, One of the chief princes"

Well, that sure is an example of putting your own interpretation into a verse, ignoring context clues and other scriptural clues! IF any in Daniel 11 is preincarnate Christ, it is the one speaking.

 

[MAC]

Well, that sure is an example of putting your own interpretation into a verse, ignoring context clues and other scriptural clues! IF any in Daniel 11 is preincarnate Christ, it is the one speaking.

Not so, I gave you why I think an d see that in Michael.
No angel have the power to reedem, when we read the word of God we look at what goes according to scriptures, so when I read a word like 'make whole' ' I make you pure' ' sons' ' great ruler' and so on I compare that with the atributes of the Godhead.

 

[Phoebe]

No offense meant to anyone, but this is what the JW's teach. That Michael and Jesus are the same.

 

[MAC]

I asked my self when reading,

Can he deliver?

Make whole

Sanctify

Pure

Heart and from there compare if it is for a person people or place.

 

[MAC]

No offense meant to anyone, but this is what the JW's teach. That Michael and Jesus are the same.

I know, but they see a person died and not give of their blood and if my sons need any of my blood they will have it. (If it match)

 

[FreeinChrist]

Not so, I gave you why I think an d see that in Michael.
No angel have the power to reedem, when we read the word of God we look at what goes according to scriptures, so when I read a word like 'make whole' ' I make you pure' ' sons' ' great ruler' and so on I compare that with the atributes of the Godhead.

But that does not apply to Michael the Archangel - who is 'one of the chief princes'. The word for 'prince' in Daniel 10 is 'sar' and can be translated head, a captain, a master, a chief, a ruler, a steward, ...it could be used to indicate nonIsraeli officials or Israeli leaders. Or archangels. And while the future Christ is referred to as a 'prince' - nieither God nor the Spirit are.

 

[FreeinChrist]

No offense meant to anyone, but this is what the JW's teach. That Michael and Jesus are the same.

Yes, it is a teaching of the Jehovah Witnesses.

 

[MAC]

But that does not apply to Michael the Archangel - who is 'one of the chief princes'. The word for 'prince' in Daniel 10 is 'sar' and can be translated head, a captain, a master, a chief, a ruler, a steward, ...it could be used to indicate nonIsraeli officials or Israeli leaders. Or archangels. And while the future Christ is referred to as a 'prince' - nieither God nor the Spirit are.

That is correct it is translated

He is the Head
He is our Captain
He is our Master
He is our Chief
He is our Ruler and most of all He is the Steward of God..

You are indicating the facts of His title, and yet dont get it.

 

[FreeinChrist]

You are indicating the facts of His title, and yet dont get it.

Well, I don't believe that you get it and are incorrectly interpreting scripture to a chosen doctrine, just like you are adding capitals where you wish. Jesus is NOT "one of the chief princes", He is not one of many. God is never described as a prince. Neither is the Holy Spirit. The only possible interpretation of "one of the chief princes" is that it refers to angels, which fits the context of the verse. And as I already wrote, looking at that passage, the one who probably the Christophany is the one who is talking - the one who Michael helped. Daniel 12 does not say that it is Michael makes people whole, or raises people. You are interpreting it that way.

Jud 1:9 But Michael the archangel, when he disputed with the devil and argued about the body of Moses, did not dare pronounce against him a railing judgment, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"

If Michael is Jesus, then why did Michael not dare to make a railing prouncement against Satan and defer to God? If Michael is Jesus, then Michael is God - or don't you agree with this:
Jhn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Do you believe in the Trinity?

 

[MAC]

Yes I do believed in the deity. That is where my thoughts are in this matter.

(3 but yet they are One)